1 00:00:40,290 --> 00:00:15,980 [Music] 2 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:40,300 hello and good tidings - well happy new 3 00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:41,970 year everyone 4 00:00:46,979 --> 00:00:44,670 and you know we're running the show on 5 00:00:48,570 --> 00:00:46,989 Tuesday I mean on Sunday instead of 6 00:00:51,210 --> 00:00:48,580 Tuesday we're gonna be back to our 7 00:00:53,369 --> 00:00:51,220 regular time next week next week we 8 00:00:56,190 --> 00:00:53,379 actually have a couple of executive 9 00:01:00,780 --> 00:00:56,200 producers from Project Blue Book the 10 00:01:03,330 --> 00:01:00,790 History Channel series that's gonna be 11 00:01:04,890 --> 00:01:03,340 finished on that's gonna be wrapped up 12 00:01:07,590 --> 00:01:04,900 in the first hour in the second hour 13 00:01:10,410 --> 00:01:07,600 we're gonna have Ted row from Hawaii 14 00:01:12,180 --> 00:01:10,420 he's gonna be on should be a great show 15 00:01:12,540 --> 00:01:12,190 next week tonight I'm pretty excited 16 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:12,550 about it 17 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:14,770 it's a different kind of show than we 18 00:01:20,820 --> 00:01:17,110 normally do we may touch well I hope we 19 00:01:24,060 --> 00:01:20,830 do touch on the UFO topic but mostly 20 00:01:27,060 --> 00:01:24,070 we're going to be focusing on Star Trek 21 00:01:29,999 --> 00:01:27,070 now Star Trek had a huge impact on 22 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:30,009 myself and my friends when I was growing 23 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:32,670 up I don't recall the original series 24 00:01:40,649 --> 00:01:37,930 actually but I did catch I think every 25 00:01:44,430 --> 00:01:40,659 day after school I caught the reruns 26 00:01:46,950 --> 00:01:44,440 maybe a few years after I'm not sure 27 00:01:48,660 --> 00:01:46,960 exactly what years but I also had 28 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:48,670 friends that were into it so we talked a 29 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:53,650 lot about it and I just loved the that I 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:55,330 loved the original series and I'm gonna 31 00:01:59,670 --> 00:01:57,490 be honest with you I've loved the 32 00:02:01,560 --> 00:01:59,680 original series and I love the Star Trek 33 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:01,570 movies that have come out but I've never 34 00:02:08,219 --> 00:02:05,710 got into the other the other generations 35 00:02:11,670 --> 00:02:08,229 of Star Trek but that's just my own 36 00:02:14,670 --> 00:02:11,680 preferences but anyway I'm excited about 37 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:14,680 the show our guests we have mark Cushman 38 00:02:21,620 --> 00:02:16,720 and vic Mignogna 39 00:02:24,660 --> 00:02:21,630 and i hope i pronounced that right so 40 00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:24,670 and mark is an author in los 41 00:02:29,940 --> 00:02:26,350 angeles-based a screenwriter and 42 00:02:31,710 --> 00:02:29,950 director and his television assignments 43 00:02:33,569 --> 00:02:31,720 includes scripts for Star Trek The Next 44 00:02:35,970 --> 00:02:33,579 Generation oh sorry about that what I 45 00:02:39,270 --> 00:02:35,980 just said a few minutes ago beyond 46 00:02:40,740 --> 00:02:39,280 belief fact or fiction okay and the 47 00:02:43,740 --> 00:02:40,750 diagnosis murder 48 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:43,750 his well he's also we're gonna be 49 00:02:48,690 --> 00:02:44,710 talking about this 50 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:48,700 the ice by a history of the 51 00:02:53,070 --> 00:02:51,040 groundbreaking television series and the 52 00:02:55,770 --> 00:02:53,080 definitive examinations of making of the 53 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:55,780 original Star Trek series with this 54 00:03:02,550 --> 00:02:58,290 twenty one hundred page three volume set 55 00:03:04,710 --> 00:03:02,560 these are the voyages and Veck is also 56 00:03:07,380 --> 00:03:04,720 joining us he's he plays Captain Kirk 57 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:07,390 does a great job with the series we'll 58 00:03:12,090 --> 00:03:09,700 be talking about that and he's been a 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:12,100 voice actor for more than 300 animated 60 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:15,130 series in a video and video games he's 61 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:16,930 also a longtime music composer producer 62 00:03:22,350 --> 00:03:20,110 and performer and executive producer of 63 00:03:24,930 --> 00:03:22,360 what we'll be talking about tonight a 64 00:03:27,390 --> 00:03:24,940 highly popular I can't believe how many 65 00:03:29,550 --> 00:03:27,400 people are watching this Star Trek 66 00:03:32,010 --> 00:03:29,560 continues and I started watching myself 67 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:32,020 and I'm really loving it so far welcome 68 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:34,480 to the show both of you thank you so 69 00:03:39,540 --> 00:03:37,570 much thank you so I don't even know 70 00:03:42,110 --> 00:03:39,550 where to begin I mean I'm just really 71 00:03:45,750 --> 00:03:42,120 excited that you could you could both 72 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:45,760 join us but let's talk about I don't 73 00:03:51,229 --> 00:03:47,170 know who wants to start it but let's 74 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:51,239 talk about what got you interested in 75 00:03:56,970 --> 00:03:54,160 the series Star Trek to begin with I 76 00:03:58,590 --> 00:03:56,980 mean you're obviously huge fans both of 77 00:04:01,289 --> 00:03:58,600 you I don't know who wants to start what 78 00:04:04,110 --> 00:04:01,299 well I'm older so I'll go first because 79 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:04,120 I did catch it on I did catch it on NBC 80 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:06,610 and Vic was doing the cradle I was about 81 00:04:11,250 --> 00:04:09,310 ten years old and started watching it 82 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:11,260 during the reruns of the first season on 83 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:13,329 NBC and continued through the rest of 84 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:14,890 the series and then caught up on the 85 00:04:21,479 --> 00:04:19,269 ones I had missed on syndication and it 86 00:04:22,950 --> 00:04:21,489 hooked me right away I was the last kid 87 00:04:24,990 --> 00:04:22,960 in school to see it because I lived on a 88 00:04:26,940 --> 00:04:25,000 dairy farm in Oregon and we were 89 00:04:29,610 --> 00:04:26,950 surrounded by mountains and and the NBC 90 00:04:32,219 --> 00:04:29,620 affiliate from Portland Channel eight 91 00:04:33,810 --> 00:04:32,229 only came in during the summer months it 92 00:04:36,210 --> 00:04:33,820 would fizzle in and be a little bit of a 93 00:04:37,980 --> 00:04:36,220 snowy picture but you'd see it and so 94 00:04:39,210 --> 00:04:37,990 all the kids were raving about this show 95 00:04:41,460 --> 00:04:39,220 called Star Trek and I'll tell you 96 00:04:44,490 --> 00:04:41,470 something that really got me is one day 97 00:04:46,219 --> 00:04:44,500 I was in there and the teacher this is 98 00:04:48,450 --> 00:04:46,229 rough but she was actually very nice 99 00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:48,460 start it was a Thursday night and she 100 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:49,630 started tell us what the homework 101 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:50,770 assignment was going to be and there was 102 00:04:54,719 --> 00:04:53,110 this collective moan across the room and 103 00:04:57,510 --> 00:04:54,729 she said I know it 104 00:04:59,100 --> 00:04:57,520 Star Trek night ok no homework and I 105 00:05:01,230 --> 00:04:59,110 thought I don't know what this Star Trek 106 00:05:03,029 --> 00:05:01,240 is but I like it and everyone was 107 00:05:04,649 --> 00:05:03,039 telling me about it and it sounded great 108 00:05:05,730 --> 00:05:04,659 I was still watching lost in space and 109 00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:05,740 voice mousy because those are the 110 00:05:10,049 --> 00:05:08,620 channels we could get and I the first 111 00:05:14,070 --> 00:05:10,059 one I caught was devil in the dark the 112 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:14,080 one about the Horta and it I caught the 113 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:15,759 about half of it before the channel 114 00:05:20,610 --> 00:05:18,370 fizzled out so I was kind of just 115 00:05:22,110 --> 00:05:20,620 straining to see this show over those 116 00:05:25,219 --> 00:05:22,120 summer months and then finally got to 117 00:05:28,170 --> 00:05:25,229 see it starting in the second season and 118 00:05:29,549 --> 00:05:28,180 it hooked me right away because I 119 00:05:31,049 --> 00:05:29,559 noticed something about it you've been 120 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:31,059 at that young age I knew I wanted to be 121 00:05:36,809 --> 00:05:35,050 a writer and writer for TV and and it 122 00:05:39,719 --> 00:05:36,819 was better written than any of the other 123 00:05:41,579 --> 00:05:39,729 shows and I thought this is amazing the 124 00:05:44,579 --> 00:05:41,589 dialogue was crisper the themes were 125 00:05:47,159 --> 00:05:44,589 stronger it was just had such more 126 00:05:49,019 --> 00:05:47,169 impact on me than the other shows I was 127 00:05:52,290 --> 00:05:49,029 watching especially the Irwin Allen 128 00:05:54,089 --> 00:05:52,300 shows and I found out later why after I 129 00:05:57,989 --> 00:05:54,099 met Gene Roddenberry and interviewed him 130 00:06:00,269 --> 00:05:57,999 for a local la TV station program and 131 00:06:01,889 --> 00:06:00,279 then came back and pitched to him for 132 00:06:05,459 --> 00:06:01,899 next generation with the episode Sarek 133 00:06:06,659 --> 00:06:05,469 which he bought and and I asked him I 134 00:06:08,820 --> 00:06:06,669 said you know I loved that book the 135 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:08,830 making of Star Trek which you guys wrote 136 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:10,449 while the show was in production and it 137 00:06:14,429 --> 00:06:12,310 mostly focuses on the pilots and trying 138 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:14,439 to get the show up and running I said 139 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:16,930 and it's filled with memos did you keep 140 00:06:20,939 --> 00:06:18,969 all those memos from all the other 141 00:06:23,369 --> 00:06:20,949 episodes and he said yeah we got about 142 00:06:25,589 --> 00:06:23,379 45 boxes which is thousands tens of 143 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:25,599 thousands of memos and production 144 00:06:30,929 --> 00:06:28,409 reports and budgets and everything else 145 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:30,939 didn't have the Nielsen ratings so we 146 00:06:34,949 --> 00:06:32,770 had licensed those from AC Nielsen for 147 00:06:36,149 --> 00:06:34,959 every single episode but anyway he 148 00:06:38,670 --> 00:06:36,159 invited me to go ahead and do these 149 00:06:39,929 --> 00:06:38,680 books and he was my first interview and 150 00:06:42,299 --> 00:06:39,939 then he plugged me into Dorothy Fontana 151 00:06:44,670 --> 00:06:42,309 and John d/f black and Bob justman 152 00:06:46,769 --> 00:06:44,680 and on and on and then the cast members 153 00:06:48,869 --> 00:06:46,779 and guest stars and crew members and I 154 00:06:50,549 --> 00:06:48,879 just interviewed them for years knowing 155 00:06:52,110 --> 00:06:50,559 one day I would get around to this but I 156 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:52,120 was so busy doing screenwriting that I 157 00:06:56,209 --> 00:06:54,370 didn't have time to do this giant 158 00:06:58,980 --> 00:06:56,219 project it was supposed to be one book 159 00:07:01,110 --> 00:06:58,990 but with all these memos and then when 160 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:01,120 my publisher license all the Nielsen 161 00:07:05,159 --> 00:07:03,610 ratings and we found out that there was 162 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:05,169 so much folklore out there about Star 163 00:07:08,670 --> 00:07:08,110 Trek and with the ratings the show did 164 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:08,680 much 165 00:07:12,870 --> 00:07:10,810 better then we've ever been told 166 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:12,880 everybody even today you'll say Star 167 00:07:17,749 --> 00:07:15,490 Trek was a failure on NBC no it was not 168 00:07:19,710 --> 00:07:17,759 it quite often won its timeslot 169 00:07:22,439 --> 00:07:19,720 especially during the first season on 170 00:07:24,930 --> 00:07:22,449 Thursday night it was NBC's top rated 171 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:24,940 Thursday night shell they moved into 172 00:07:28,409 --> 00:07:26,770 Friday's it was their top rated Friday 173 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:28,419 night show and they tried to cancel it 174 00:07:33,659 --> 00:07:31,120 and they got a million people who wrote 175 00:07:35,370 --> 00:07:33,669 in either my letters or petitions so 176 00:07:37,170 --> 00:07:35,380 they renewed it and put it in the death 177 00:07:39,540 --> 00:07:37,180 slot Friday Fridays from 10:00 to 11:00 178 00:07:41,550 --> 00:07:39,550 and the first episode right out of the 179 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:41,560 came right out of the gate for the first 180 00:07:45,810 --> 00:07:43,930 season third season Spock's brain not a 181 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:45,820 good one was one NBC wanted to lead off 182 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:48,370 with won its timeslot against Judd for 183 00:07:51,749 --> 00:07:50,110 the defense which had won an Emmy the 184 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:51,759 previous year for Best dramatic series 185 00:07:56,700 --> 00:07:54,310 and the two-hour premiere episode of y5o 186 00:07:58,350 --> 00:07:56,710 which ran for 12 years now the ratings 187 00:08:01,050 --> 00:07:58,360 did come down during that third year in 188 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:01,060 that terrible terrible time slot but it 189 00:08:06,029 --> 00:08:03,520 was still the network's strongest rated 190 00:08:08,670 --> 00:08:06,039 show on that night for quite a ways so 191 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:08,680 it's not true about the ratings so why 192 00:08:12,450 --> 00:08:09,610 did they cancel it 193 00:08:13,860 --> 00:08:12,460 it's all in the memos every episode was 194 00:08:16,020 --> 00:08:13,870 a fight with the network Gene 195 00:08:17,670 --> 00:08:16,030 Roddenberry wanted to tell stories that 196 00:08:19,529 --> 00:08:17,680 had never been told on TV before he 197 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:19,539 wanted to talk about Vietnam sexism 198 00:08:24,469 --> 00:08:22,930 racism religion and and these memos that 199 00:08:27,330 --> 00:08:24,479 are in the books that anybody can read 200 00:08:28,980 --> 00:08:27,340 show the battles over every single 201 00:08:30,810 --> 00:08:28,990 episode and you've also got the ratings 202 00:08:33,510 --> 00:08:30,820 reports and a lot of other stuff right 203 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:33,520 from the files that disapproved so much 204 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:34,810 of the folklore about the original 205 00:08:38,940 --> 00:08:36,159 series Wow 206 00:08:41,490 --> 00:08:38,950 that is so amazing I had no idea I 207 00:08:42,779 --> 00:08:41,500 actually have seen what you're talking 208 00:08:46,290 --> 00:08:42,789 about the memos and things like that 209 00:08:48,810 --> 00:08:46,300 because I I was the I do my real life 210 00:08:50,670 --> 00:08:48,820 I'm a fine arts and estate appraiser and 211 00:08:54,449 --> 00:08:50,680 I did the appraisal for the estate of 212 00:08:56,490 --> 00:08:54,459 Merv Griffin and I saw his notes all 213 00:08:58,350 --> 00:08:56,500 over a Sonny and Cher show and things 214 00:09:00,690 --> 00:08:58,360 like that and that it was more 215 00:09:03,390 --> 00:09:00,700 fascinating than anything else is to 216 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:03,400 just to just to see what they were 217 00:09:07,350 --> 00:09:04,810 thinking as they were doing you know 218 00:09:09,329 --> 00:09:07,360 going along well in the battles they had 219 00:09:11,639 --> 00:09:09,339 to fight you know the networks were so 220 00:09:13,410 --> 00:09:11,649 restrictive about what an entertainment 221 00:09:15,660 --> 00:09:13,420 show could do in primetime and the 222 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:15,670 subjects that were taboo Oh Star Trek 223 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:17,770 was crossed the barrier with everything 224 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:19,450 the first interracial kiss that's right 225 00:09:22,590 --> 00:09:21,790 the miniskirt was the first time America 226 00:09:26,010 --> 00:09:22,600 saw me 227 00:09:27,540 --> 00:09:26,020 and so many other things and and so it 228 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:27,550 was just too hot for the network it was 229 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:29,110 too sexy it was too hot it was too 230 00:09:33,420 --> 00:09:31,330 controversial they were trying to talk 231 00:09:36,270 --> 00:09:33,430 ruin Allen into doing a show for NBC 232 00:09:37,890 --> 00:09:36,280 because he had lost a space on CBS and 233 00:09:40,650 --> 00:09:37,900 voice mama see and time tunnel and land 234 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:40,660 of the Giants on NBC and I'm sorry on 235 00:09:45,690 --> 00:09:43,450 ABC and so when they tried to cancel 236 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:45,700 Star Trek after the second year they 237 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:47,350 contacted Irwin and said coming into a 238 00:09:50,730 --> 00:09:48,730 sci-fi show for us and we'll give you 239 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:50,740 Star Trek's time slot but then they got 240 00:09:55,020 --> 00:09:53,410 all those protest letters and and I can 241 00:09:56,670 --> 00:09:55,030 guarantee you Vic did not write one of 242 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:56,680 them you were still too young so I'll 243 00:10:00,290 --> 00:09:58,450 kick it over to Vic yeah because he 244 00:10:03,810 --> 00:10:00,300 discovered the show went when you did 245 00:10:06,090 --> 00:10:03,820 Martin in the 1970s and reruns I think 246 00:10:08,010 --> 00:10:06,100 that's when it was in the 1970s because 247 00:10:10,740 --> 00:10:08,020 I come home from school and they would 248 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:10,750 be you know in sometime in the afternoon 249 00:10:14,340 --> 00:10:13,090 and you know but we were all talking 250 00:10:16,530 --> 00:10:14,350 about it at school I don't remember 251 00:10:19,380 --> 00:10:16,540 talking about it when it was out but it 252 00:10:21,330 --> 00:10:19,390 anything's possible because probably 253 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:21,340 about the same age as you all right Vic 254 00:10:26,580 --> 00:10:23,890 let's hear it okay well first of all 255 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:26,590 first things first okay and last name is 256 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:30,250 pronounced manana manana almost like the 257 00:10:35,130 --> 00:10:32,530 morning see you tomorrow it's like this 258 00:10:37,890 --> 00:10:35,140 yeah okay it's Italian but it's 259 00:10:41,550 --> 00:10:37,900 pronounced like manana okay 260 00:10:43,590 --> 00:10:41,560 and I I wasn't it I know no worries I 261 00:10:48,180 --> 00:10:43,600 wasn't in the cradle mark but I was I 262 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:48,190 was probably close to it I was about 7 263 00:10:55,350 --> 00:10:50,260 years old when when the show was 264 00:10:59,070 --> 00:10:55,360 cancelled in 69 and it was early 70s 265 00:11:02,760 --> 00:10:59,080 like 71 maybe 72 when I discovered the 266 00:11:05,370 --> 00:11:02,770 show I was about 9 or 10 my mom and I 267 00:11:08,220 --> 00:11:05,380 had just moved into an apartment by 268 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:08,230 ourselves and we had very little 269 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:11,170 furniture but I do remember that we had 270 00:11:16,290 --> 00:11:13,170 a 19-inch black-and-white television 271 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:16,300 that sat on the floor because we had no 272 00:11:20,490 --> 00:11:19,090 table for it and I would come home every 273 00:11:25,290 --> 00:11:20,500 day after school and lay on the floor 274 00:11:27,450 --> 00:11:25,300 and watch this show I I stumbled across 275 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:27,460 it and I loved it the first episode I 276 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:30,970 ever saw was the Tholian web which was a 277 00:11:35,130 --> 00:11:33,730 third season episode and then I went to 278 00:11:35,810 --> 00:11:35,140 school and I would tell my friends about 279 00:11:37,970 --> 00:11:35,820 it and 280 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:37,980 much to my surprise a lot of them knew 281 00:11:44,780 --> 00:11:42,120 about it and I started you know Martin I 282 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:44,790 started doing things because of my love 283 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:48,150 for Star Trek creative things that I had 284 00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:51,450 never tried before I wanted suddenly at 285 00:11:57,650 --> 00:11:54,480 10 or 11 years old 12 years old I wanted 286 00:11:59,090 --> 00:11:57,660 to try to build props like they had on 287 00:12:02,150 --> 00:11:59,100 the show and then I wanted to make 288 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:02,160 costumes like they wore on the show and 289 00:12:06,380 --> 00:12:04,410 then I wanted to build models and then I 290 00:12:09,110 --> 00:12:06,390 got my parents to let me use their 8 291 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:09,120 millimeter movie camera so that I could 292 00:12:12,860 --> 00:12:11,010 make little episodes and rounded the 293 00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:12,870 kids in the neighborhood up and made 294 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:15,120 them wear the costumes that I had that I 295 00:12:22,550 --> 00:12:19,890 had made and and Star Trek inspired me 296 00:12:24,380 --> 00:12:22,560 you know when you're a little kid you 297 00:12:27,620 --> 00:12:24,390 kind of stumble across the things that 298 00:12:29,810 --> 00:12:27,630 you're good at you know as you grow 299 00:12:31,460 --> 00:12:29,820 older you you come across things and you 300 00:12:33,620 --> 00:12:31,470 try something for the first time in 301 00:12:35,150 --> 00:12:33,630 you're like wow I'm actually pretty good 302 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:35,160 at this you didn't know until that 303 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:37,710 moment when something in your life it 304 00:12:45,370 --> 00:12:41,850 inspired you and for that for me Star 305 00:12:49,220 --> 00:12:45,380 Trek was that thing so now fast forward 306 00:12:52,490 --> 00:12:49,230 several decades and I'd been a lifelong 307 00:12:54,740 --> 00:12:52,500 fan and then about six years ago maybe 308 00:12:56,830 --> 00:12:54,750 seven now I decided even though there 309 00:13:01,340 --> 00:12:56,840 were a lot of fan productions out there 310 00:13:03,470 --> 00:13:01,350 they they all missed on different levels 311 00:13:06,140 --> 00:13:03,480 whether it was the storytelling or the 312 00:13:08,930 --> 00:13:06,150 writing or the acting or the lighting or 313 00:13:12,020 --> 00:13:08,940 the sets or the edit or the music or 314 00:13:14,090 --> 00:13:12,030 anything so many different areas of 315 00:13:17,390 --> 00:13:14,100 production and I thought to myself you 316 00:13:19,340 --> 00:13:17,400 know I majored in film in college and I 317 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:19,350 I've learned I've studied a lot about 318 00:13:25,460 --> 00:13:22,410 production I've been acting since I was 319 00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:25,470 10 years old incidentally because of 320 00:13:30,980 --> 00:13:28,110 Star Trek I started auditioning for 321 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:30,990 school plays because I loved Star Trek 322 00:13:36,950 --> 00:13:33,750 and I wanted to do what Bill Shatner and 323 00:13:39,020 --> 00:13:36,960 Leonard Nimoy were doing and and and so 324 00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:39,030 I decided to take all of those skills 325 00:13:45,530 --> 00:13:42,510 that I've been working on and developing 326 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:45,540 over the decades and maybe make an 327 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:48,810 episode of Star Trek the way I remember 328 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:49,170 it 329 00:13:58,460 --> 00:13:56,370 pay tribute just to honor that show so I 330 00:14:01,360 --> 00:13:58,470 made the first episode I rounded a bunch 331 00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:01,370 of friends up who also happen to be very 332 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:04,800 gifted artists in their different fields 333 00:14:10,430 --> 00:14:06,690 of production whether it be makeup or 334 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:10,440 sound or lighting or camera and and we 335 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:13,529 made an episode I self-funded it 336 00:14:18,530 --> 00:14:16,110 we built the studio and recreated all 337 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:18,540 the sets and we made an episode called 338 00:14:23,930 --> 00:14:20,970 pilgrim of eternity which was a sequel 339 00:14:29,930 --> 00:14:23,940 to an original series episode called 340 00:14:32,569 --> 00:14:29,940 whom your listeners remember that 341 00:14:37,250 --> 00:14:32,579 episode and we actually got Mike Forrest 342 00:14:40,790 --> 00:14:37,260 who played Apollo 40 years previously to 343 00:14:43,250 --> 00:14:40,800 reprise his role as Apollo we made this 344 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:43,260 one episode not knowing how anyone would 345 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:45,120 respond whether they would like it or 346 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:47,490 not Star Trek fans are a pretty 347 00:14:52,340 --> 00:14:49,410 particular Bunch as I'm sure you 348 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:52,350 probably know but low and behold people 349 00:14:57,740 --> 00:14:55,410 really enjoyed it so we launched some 350 00:15:01,910 --> 00:14:57,750 crowdfunding campaigns and we ended up 351 00:15:03,889 --> 00:15:01,920 making 11 full-length episodes as I told 352 00:15:06,290 --> 00:15:03,899 you before we came on the air everyone 353 00:15:08,329 --> 00:15:06,300 is better than the last our own dear 354 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:08,339 Marc Cushman here wrote the script for 355 00:15:14,449 --> 00:15:11,310 episode 5 based on a story of mine 356 00:15:20,329 --> 00:15:14,459 Judy Burns who wrote the Tholian web 357 00:15:22,819 --> 00:15:20,339 wrote our 8th episode and our series now 358 00:15:24,319 --> 00:15:22,829 with over 10 million viewers picks up 359 00:15:27,050 --> 00:15:24,329 right where the original series was 360 00:15:29,630 --> 00:15:27,060 cancelled and finishes the five year 361 00:15:34,579 --> 00:15:29,640 mission and we tell stories that explain 362 00:15:37,069 --> 00:15:34,589 how the enterprise ends up in drydock 363 00:15:40,850 --> 00:15:37,079 how it finishes the five year mission 364 00:15:43,850 --> 00:15:40,860 why Captain Kirk is an admiral and 365 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:43,860 accepts promotion why is Spock back on 366 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:46,410 Vulcan we leave everybody right where 367 00:15:52,579 --> 00:15:48,930 they were when the motion picture begins 368 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:52,589 it is a perfect filler between the 369 00:16:00,170 --> 00:15:54,000 original series in the motion picture 370 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:00,180 well and humbled and and gratified by so 371 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:02,850 many people that have loved it rod 372 00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:05,850 very genes son uh-huh 373 00:16:12,499 --> 00:16:08,220 not only did he do a cameo on one of our 374 00:16:15,109 --> 00:16:12,509 episodes but he publicly has stated many 375 00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:15,119 many times that if heard his dad were 376 00:16:20,659 --> 00:16:17,279 alive today he would consider Star Trek 377 00:16:22,699 --> 00:16:20,669 continues Canon and Rob himself does 378 00:16:25,189 --> 00:16:22,709 consider it canon so we've been very 379 00:16:28,879 --> 00:16:25,199 fortunate to have a great deal of 380 00:16:30,859 --> 00:16:28,889 enthusiasm around our series Wow not 381 00:16:33,529 --> 00:16:30,869 only that that I entered I introduced it 382 00:16:35,659 --> 00:16:33,539 to John DF black who was the Associate 383 00:16:37,789 --> 00:16:35,669 Producer on the original first season of 384 00:16:39,619 --> 00:16:37,799 the original show and he's the one who 385 00:16:41,359 --> 00:16:39,629 wrote the lines space the final frontier 386 00:16:43,699 --> 00:16:41,369 and he wrote the classic episode The 387 00:16:46,579 --> 00:16:43,709 Naked Time which won a Hugo Award and 388 00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:46,589 John sat in as a story editor on Star 389 00:16:52,129 --> 00:16:48,839 Trek continues as as well and I did too 390 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:52,139 - to give dick notes on the scripts and 391 00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,769 make sure that this thing was what would 392 00:17:00,919 --> 00:16:57,839 be which I'm Vic would have done anyway 393 00:17:02,929 --> 00:17:00,929 but we pitched in and helped as the best 394 00:17:04,730 --> 00:17:02,939 we could and to make it be like the 395 00:17:06,169 --> 00:17:04,740 fourth fifth season of the original Star 396 00:17:09,649 --> 00:17:06,179 Trek and I think he's done an 397 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:09,659 astonishing job job it's it's anybody 398 00:17:13,009 --> 00:17:11,250 out there who hasn't seen it go to Star 399 00:17:16,189 --> 00:17:13,019 Trek continues calm and watch a couple 400 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:16,199 episodes and and you'll feel like you're 401 00:17:20,659 --> 00:17:18,089 getting those those shows that we 402 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:20,669 weren't given after NBC canceled the 403 00:17:28,039 --> 00:17:23,850 series yeah I I agree I'm in the third 404 00:17:29,869 --> 00:17:28,049 episode now and I wondered when I saw 405 00:17:33,769 --> 00:17:29,879 Apollo if that was the original actor 406 00:17:36,590 --> 00:17:33,779 yes he's a you know quite an iconic I 407 00:17:38,450 --> 00:17:36,600 mean he's a great actor really really 408 00:17:40,249 --> 00:17:38,460 takes the scenes you know kind of 409 00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:40,259 dominates the scenes whose is that good 410 00:17:45,950 --> 00:17:43,200 but yeah and you know we've had many 411 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:45,960 many guest stars from many many 412 00:17:53,299 --> 00:17:50,490 different iconic TV series we've had 413 00:17:57,799 --> 00:17:53,309 people from Doctor Who we've had actors 414 00:18:00,529 --> 00:17:57,809 from Buck Rogers The Incredible Hulk 415 00:18:03,769 --> 00:18:00,539 Star Wars - the expanse 416 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:03,779 Buffy Farscape we've had a lot of great 417 00:18:09,740 --> 00:18:06,090 guest stars to add and even Star Trek 418 00:18:12,289 --> 00:18:09,750 John de Lancie from Star Trek next 419 00:18:15,230 --> 00:18:12,299 generation was a guest star on one of 420 00:18:19,070 --> 00:18:15,240 our one of our episodes as well Wow 421 00:18:20,990 --> 00:18:19,080 now I gotta tell you the the set is just 422 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:21,000 incredible this looks like really high 423 00:18:26,810 --> 00:18:24,840 budget to me how did you you said you 424 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:26,820 did this through fundraising I can't 425 00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:29,250 even imagine no we didn't build the sets 426 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:31,320 to fundraising what happened with with 427 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:34,890 the sets were that was this I helped 428 00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:36,930 another fan production make an episode 429 00:18:42,020 --> 00:18:39,750 of their series and we kind of became 430 00:18:46,340 --> 00:18:42,030 friends and they had built a portion of 431 00:18:49,060 --> 00:18:46,350 the bridge and and when I decided that I 432 00:18:51,950 --> 00:18:49,070 wanted to make an episode of my own I 433 00:18:54,860 --> 00:18:51,960 rented a facility down the street from 434 00:18:58,340 --> 00:18:54,870 where they're there bridge was a much 435 00:19:00,200 --> 00:18:58,350 larger facility and I had them I they 436 00:19:03,370 --> 00:19:00,210 agreed to move their bridge to the new 437 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:03,380 facility and then we all pulled our our 438 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:05,970 resources whether it was labor or money 439 00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:09,510 or materials and we built the whole rest 440 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:11,910 of the soundstage it's absolutely 441 00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:14,490 extraordinary fact you know what I would 442 00:19:18,620 --> 00:19:16,620 be remiss not to tell you Martin and to 443 00:19:22,790 --> 00:19:18,630 tell your your your listeners and your 444 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:22,800 viewers the man that took over the the 445 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:25,170 studio after we finished our series rate 446 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:28,770 se makes it available for people to come 447 00:19:33,710 --> 00:19:31,290 and enjoy to come and walk through the 448 00:19:35,810 --> 00:19:33,720 soundstage you'll feel like you're 10 449 00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:35,820 years old again walking through the 450 00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:39,120 original enterprise it is euphoric where 451 00:19:44,930 --> 00:19:41,310 is it located it's in Kingsland Georgia 452 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:44,940 you fly into Jacksonville Florida but if 453 00:19:53,090 --> 00:19:47,690 you miss everything else that has said 454 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:53,100 neutral zone studios.com there is listed 455 00:19:59,710 --> 00:19:56,970 on that site open house dates where you 456 00:20:02,870 --> 00:19:59,720 can go and and take a tour of the studio 457 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:02,880 sit in the captain's chair step up on 458 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:05,760 the transporter platform and I love 459 00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:08,130 those sets so much because I helped 460 00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:11,430 build them and and helped create them I 461 00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:14,880 go down there myself personally and give 462 00:20:19,490 --> 00:20:17,700 people tours of the studio so I'll be 463 00:20:22,340 --> 00:20:19,500 down there I'll be down there on January 464 00:20:24,460 --> 00:20:22,350 18th coming up very soon there'll be 465 00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:24,470 another open house in February in March 466 00:20:28,940 --> 00:20:28,230 so we we built the entire soundstage 467 00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:28,950 based 468 00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:32,880 on original floor plans so when so what 469 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:35,760 you're seeing on our series is I would 470 00:20:41,630 --> 00:20:39,210 dare say it's within inches of the 471 00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,640 original soundstage well you know I got 472 00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:43,440 to tell you I actually touched the 473 00:20:49,910 --> 00:20:45,840 carpet that was in the original series I 474 00:20:52,540 --> 00:20:49,920 was at a that was in LA at a auction 475 00:20:56,420 --> 00:20:52,550 house that handles like things from 476 00:20:59,540 --> 00:20:56,430 props and things from from different you 477 00:21:03,220 --> 00:20:59,550 know series and movies and they had at 478 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:03,230 the time he had Marilyn Marilyn Monroe's 479 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:06,210 dressed subway dress that sold for 480 00:21:10,790 --> 00:21:08,730 600,000 or maybe even more maybe was 2 481 00:21:12,830 --> 00:21:10,800 million or I can't even remember but 482 00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,840 anyway I saw rolled up when I was there 483 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:14,880 I was talking to Joe I can't remember is 484 00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,130 his last name 485 00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:18,080 Magdalene there's something like that 486 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:22,080 and I saw this rolled-up jagged carpet 487 00:21:26,420 --> 00:21:25,530 and I just pointed to it I said what's 488 00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:26,430 that anyway 489 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:28,620 because it was among all a bunch of Star 490 00:21:32,570 --> 00:21:30,930 Trek things and he said oh that's the 491 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:32,580 original carpet from the original series 492 00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:35,130 from the bridge oh my goodness so I 493 00:21:41,930 --> 00:21:37,500 followed up he and it sold for $11,000 494 00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,940 so someone had to have it yeah yeah but 495 00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:44,400 that's really it's an amazing job you 496 00:21:49,910 --> 00:21:47,550 did with that the sets so really really 497 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:49,920 nice job I would encourage you and 498 00:21:55,340 --> 00:21:52,320 anyone else who's a Star Trek fan it's 499 00:21:57,140 --> 00:21:55,350 like dying and going to heaven I got to 500 00:21:58,430 --> 00:21:57,150 tell you there is nothing quite like it 501 00:22:00,940 --> 00:21:58,440 and I don't know if you know this or not 502 00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:00,950 Martin but all of this all of the rooms 503 00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,020 are connected to that bending corridor 504 00:22:09,050 --> 00:22:06,480 hmm they're all connected to the 505 00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:09,060 corridor in other words once you step 506 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:11,580 into the corridor at one end and start 507 00:22:16,220 --> 00:22:13,710 walking down the corridor you're on the 508 00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,230 ship you can walk right into sick bay 509 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:18,240 right into the transporter room right 510 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:19,770 into the briefing room right into the 511 00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:20,610 captains quarters 512 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:23,700 climb the Jefferies tube all of it is is 513 00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:26,130 connected so you feel like you're 514 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:30,030 actually there it is an amazing thing to 515 00:22:36,650 --> 00:22:32,910 see and if you go to Star Trek continues 516 00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,660 comm and you click on the on one of the 517 00:22:41,670 --> 00:22:39,360 tabs across the top on the word about 518 00:22:45,150 --> 00:22:41,680 you'll find a three 519 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:45,160 virtual tour of the studio where you can 520 00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:48,130 actually use the keys on your computer 521 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:50,800 to to cursor through and walk through 522 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:53,650 and look all around and be able to see 523 00:22:57,390 --> 00:22:56,170 the studio well we're going into a break 524 00:23:00,510 --> 00:22:57,400 here in just a couple of minutes but 525 00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:00,520 have either one of you ever watched the 526 00:23:06,270 --> 00:23:03,760 I have a friend Roger Nygaard and he 527 00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:06,280 made a film called documentary called 528 00:23:13,050 --> 00:23:10,020 Trekkies did you ever see that oh yes 529 00:23:15,630 --> 00:23:13,060 it's kind of like following this guy 530 00:23:17,790 --> 00:23:15,640 they're the superfans now you mentioned 531 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:17,800 earlier have you have either one of you 532 00:23:22,980 --> 00:23:21,130 had an encounters with a superfan that 533 00:23:25,410 --> 00:23:22,990 just absolutely in fact I'll let you in 534 00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:25,420 on a little something Martin there was a 535 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:27,910 young man that was in Trekkies who was 536 00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:30,730 the the young boy who was really the 537 00:23:37,230 --> 00:23:34,240 superfan named Gabe Koerner he he was 538 00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,240 the one that outfitted his his family's 539 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:39,520 van to look like the shuttlecraft and he 540 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:41,890 was such a hardcore fan well he grew up 541 00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:46,480 to become a special-effects CGI guy and 542 00:23:56,190 --> 00:23:49,360 he actually did some work on Star Trek 543 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:56,200 continues super fans and we had just a 544 00:24:01,200 --> 00:23:58,090 minute here mark how about yourself if 545 00:24:04,590 --> 00:24:01,210 you had any encounters with super fans 546 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:04,600 that I mean they can you know people can 547 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:09,310 actually troll you these days when it 548 00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,930 comes to this subject and I'm sure you 549 00:24:16,050 --> 00:24:12,880 do oh yeah 550 00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,060 good and bad and well one Gerald Green 551 00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:19,120 is I think the biggest collector of Star 552 00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:23,920 Trek props anywhere and any including 553 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:26,470 the film trims from the editing room 554 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:29,410 floors from the original series and when 555 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:31,090 I did my three volumes set these are the 556 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:34,210 voyages Gerald contributed a lot of the 557 00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:36,610 pictures that are in these books which 558 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:39,220 were outtakes or alternate takes and 559 00:24:43,020 --> 00:24:40,750 things like that so as you're reading 560 00:24:44,610 --> 00:24:43,030 about the the making of the episode 561 00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,620 you've got these pictures in there of 562 00:24:48,420 --> 00:24:46,480 those particular scenes that we're 563 00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,430 talking about things of that nature 564 00:24:52,410 --> 00:24:50,320 and you know they're just terrific 565 00:24:54,090 --> 00:24:52,420 people and and when you look at all the 566 00:24:55,379 --> 00:24:54,100 technology that's come out of Star Trek 567 00:24:57,779 --> 00:24:55,389 the inventions like the commune 568 00:24:59,879 --> 00:24:57,789 cater and everything else I'm sorry the 569 00:25:02,069 --> 00:24:59,889 the communicator became the cell phone 570 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:02,079 and Spock's computer became the Internet 571 00:25:06,479 --> 00:25:04,690 and the PC and it was kids watching the 572 00:25:06,989 --> 00:25:06,489 show who grew up and said why can't we 573 00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,999 have that 574 00:25:10,649 --> 00:25:08,799 and invented that stuff so even people 575 00:25:12,629 --> 00:25:10,659 who aren't fans of Star Trek their lives 576 00:25:15,089 --> 00:25:12,639 have been impacted by Star Trek 577 00:25:16,169 --> 00:25:15,099 absolutely I wanted to get into that all 578 00:25:19,139 --> 00:25:16,179 right we're gonna go into the break 579 00:25:22,009 --> 00:25:19,149 alright this is Martin Willis I have my 580 00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:22,019 oh my god I hope I say his name right 581 00:25:28,289 --> 00:25:25,809 Lana like tomorrow is pushman and vic 582 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:28,299 Mignogna and we're coming right back I 583 00:25:37,259 --> 00:25:34,809 did it right after these messages all 584 00:25:41,849 --> 00:25:37,269 right we are back and we are talking 585 00:25:45,479 --> 00:25:41,859 Star Trek mark I want you if you would 586 00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:45,489 to go into the topic of these are the 587 00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:48,599 voyages and what what kind of 588 00:25:54,389 --> 00:25:52,299 undertaking as far as the amount of time 589 00:25:57,989 --> 00:25:54,399 in years and effort did you have to put 590 00:25:59,969 --> 00:25:57,999 into that oh it was massive just like 591 00:26:02,009 --> 00:25:59,979 for a Vic when he did the audio book 592 00:26:04,739 --> 00:26:02,019 that's out now which is 28 hours long 593 00:26:06,899 --> 00:26:04,749 and has a cast of 80 plus people so he 594 00:26:09,539 --> 00:26:06,909 he went through a great deal of work 595 00:26:14,099 --> 00:26:09,549 creating that audio book which is based 596 00:26:16,229 --> 00:26:14,109 on on my books the that's why it took me 597 00:26:18,959 --> 00:26:16,239 so long to do it because I first met 598 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:18,969 Gene Roddenberry in 1982 when I 599 00:26:23,729 --> 00:26:22,089 interviewed him and then I get in 1989 I 600 00:26:26,069 --> 00:26:23,739 think is when I pitched Sarek to them 601 00:26:28,229 --> 00:26:26,079 and so I started collecting all these 602 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:28,239 materials that he gave me access to at 603 00:26:31,829 --> 00:26:30,099 that point tens of thousands of mammals 604 00:26:34,019 --> 00:26:31,839 production reports everything we got the 605 00:26:35,849 --> 00:26:34,029 Nielsen ratings as I mentioned and I'd 606 00:26:39,659 --> 00:26:35,859 been interviewing so I interviewed 607 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:39,669 people over a period of 20 years knowing 608 00:26:43,769 --> 00:26:40,809 that one day I was going to write these 609 00:26:45,419 --> 00:26:43,779 books as soon as I had time because I 610 00:26:47,159 --> 00:26:45,429 knew they were just going to be a huge 611 00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:47,169 job and it was supposed to be one book 612 00:26:51,899 --> 00:26:49,329 but it was just too much material so we 613 00:26:54,539 --> 00:26:51,909 did one book for each season and a 614 00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:54,549 chapter for each episode that's 10 15 615 00:26:58,109 --> 00:26:56,529 sometimes 20 pages long like for the 616 00:26:59,759 --> 00:26:58,119 city on the edge of forever because 617 00:27:01,769 --> 00:26:59,769 there were so many memos and so much 618 00:27:04,459 --> 00:27:01,779 back and forth over the writing of that 619 00:27:07,229 --> 00:27:04,469 script and then the production and so on 620 00:27:09,089 --> 00:27:07,239 so it as you're collecting all that 621 00:27:09,390 --> 00:27:09,099 material you're going oh my god this is 622 00:27:11,550 --> 00:27:09,400 going to 623 00:27:13,470 --> 00:27:11,560 take years to do well it did it took 624 00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:13,480 about a year per book once I actually 625 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:15,220 started writing and putting all this 626 00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,490 material together and so it was been 627 00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:21,520 received by the I want to say the real 628 00:27:30,660 --> 00:27:26,640 hardcore Trekkies incredibly incredibly 629 00:27:32,910 --> 00:27:30,670 they've so well and and the we get 630 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:32,920 letters the time from people us oh he's 631 00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,120 ready to get anything wrong 632 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:36,640 so DC Fontana is giving me notes I'm I'm 633 00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:38,770 putting her notes into the books for on 634 00:27:43,860 --> 00:27:40,900 every script they made and so forth and 635 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:43,870 Bob justman was giving me notes on the 636 00:27:47,490 --> 00:27:45,730 books and John DF black was giving me 637 00:27:49,380 --> 00:27:47,500 notes on the books Jean had passed away 638 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:49,390 at that point wasn't able to get these 639 00:27:54,570 --> 00:27:51,130 done in time for him to see but rod 640 00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,580 other yeah and I and we I let his quote 641 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:55,840 was great because just sounded like 642 00:28:00,120 --> 00:27:58,330 Spock on the phone he said mark these 643 00:28:02,790 --> 00:28:00,130 these books are the research is 644 00:28:06,030 --> 00:28:02,800 astounding and it was like Spock saying 645 00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:06,040 it and and Harlan Ellison called and 646 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:07,780 blew me away because I I don't think 647 00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,090 Harlan's ever complimented anybody you 648 00:28:14,370 --> 00:28:12,640 know he's such a difficult person as far 649 00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,380 he's so critical of other people's work 650 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:16,240 and he wrote of course the classic 651 00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:17,710 episode sitting on the edge of forever 652 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:20,380 and and he called me up and I saw his 653 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:21,910 name appear on my phone and it was like 654 00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,530 oh god because we just mailed him a copy 655 00:28:27,810 --> 00:28:25,360 of the book and his interviews are in 656 00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:27,820 there with everybody else's and and I 657 00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:29,740 said hi Harlan I think he was just gonna 658 00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,740 rip me to pieces and he says mark I'm 659 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:34,480 not I'm not going to say they're they're 660 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:37,570 awesome because that's a word I reserved 661 00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:39,310 for Eleanor Roosevelt and the Grand 662 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:41,710 Canyon but they come close it was like I 663 00:28:46,410 --> 00:28:43,810 I was trembling until he said that and 664 00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:46,420 then there was this heavy sigh of relief 665 00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:49,750 and he started laughing I did not expect 666 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:52,720 to get that from Harlan Ellison but and 667 00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:55,690 Judy Burns at that point on Star Trek 668 00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:57,310 continues giving him notes on scripts 669 00:29:02,010 --> 00:28:58,930 and so forth so I called him up and I 670 00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,020 said Judy's got a great story and I 671 00:29:06,420 --> 00:29:04,480 pitched it to him and and he loved it 672 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:06,430 and so they got together and she ended 673 00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:08,170 up writing what was that one called Vick 674 00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:13,240 still threads the shadow yeah and and it 675 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,660 picks up with Olien web left off and and 676 00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:19,120 very surprising direction that it goes 677 00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:21,310 so it's a terrific episode of Star Trek 678 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:23,350 continues and one of my favorites of the 679 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:26,289 original series so yeah and she called 680 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:28,809 me up and said these should be required 681 00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:31,450 reading in all colleges that have 682 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:33,580 screenwriting classes because when you 683 00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:35,410 read these things and you see the memos 684 00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,630 from Roddenberry and from NBC on every 685 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,520 episode including ones that never got 686 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:41,200 made from a lot of very famous science 687 00:29:45,390 --> 00:29:43,510 fiction writers that they just couldn't 688 00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,400 afford to produce or they were too edgy 689 00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:47,919 for television at that time but when you 690 00:29:53,850 --> 00:29:50,230 read all these memos it gives you a 691 00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:53,860 college course in how to construct a 692 00:29:58,020 --> 00:29:56,409 great story and and that's why when I 693 00:30:00,210 --> 00:29:58,030 was a kid and I sensed that this was 694 00:30:02,430 --> 00:30:00,220 like the best written show on TV you 695 00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:02,440 read these memos and you see why these 696 00:30:07,230 --> 00:30:04,900 people really cared and they were all so 697 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:07,240 bright and they just understood about 698 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:09,730 letting Kirk lead the story and about 699 00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:11,770 having a strong theme and emotional 700 00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:13,240 theme and conflict between the 701 00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:16,030 characters and so it's a real education 702 00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:20,200 and I asked Vic the other day if if 703 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:22,990 after he read did the audio book if it 704 00:30:28,169 --> 00:30:26,110 had changed his feelings about the show 705 00:30:30,810 --> 00:30:28,179 when he watched it if he appreciated it 706 00:30:32,909 --> 00:30:30,820 even more being a great fan to begin 707 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:32,919 with and I'll let him tell you the 708 00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,650 answer he gave me the other day 709 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:37,840 absolutely I I was just blown away in 710 00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:40,570 fact to coin a phrase fascinated by all 711 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:43,390 of the all of the information that went 712 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:45,730 into that series you know Martin you 713 00:30:50,419 --> 00:30:48,250 know the old saying necessity is the 714 00:30:53,070 --> 00:30:50,429 mother of invention yep mm-hmm 715 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:53,080 that was never more true than in the 716 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:55,690 making of Star Trek oh yeah 717 00:31:01,200 --> 00:30:58,210 I'll tell you what you know everybody on 718 00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,210 the planet Earth Martin everybody on the 719 00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,799 planet Earth knows what you're talking 720 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:04,720 about when you're saying when you say 721 00:31:11,159 --> 00:31:08,049 beam me up yeah beaming down yeah and 722 00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:11,169 yet when I read these books I learned 723 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:13,929 for the first time do you know how they 724 00:31:21,149 --> 00:31:16,450 came up with the idea for the 725 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:21,159 transporter Martin no I've heard a lot 726 00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:23,289 of different things but not about that 727 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:26,320 one yeah I mean what it was they 728 00:31:32,820 --> 00:31:28,570 couldn't afford to have the ship land on 729 00:31:36,419 --> 00:31:32,830 a planet every week it just was it was 730 00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:36,429 financially impossible to do the special 731 00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:37,140 effects 732 00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,110 required to make this giant ship land on 733 00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:43,200 a planet every week so they came up with 734 00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:47,640 this idea where they could somehow get 735 00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:50,460 from the ship to the planet they 736 00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:53,910 literally were just you know frantic to 737 00:31:57,170 --> 00:31:55,980 figure something out and they needed to 738 00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:57,180 come up with a reason 739 00:32:02,510 --> 00:31:59,820 what were the way that to say costs and 740 00:32:04,550 --> 00:32:02,520 and now the things that they came up 741 00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:04,560 with and and when you read the book or 742 00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,230 better yet listen to the book when you 743 00:32:12,410 --> 00:32:10,080 listen to the book what you find is that 744 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:12,420 they came up with all of these iconic 745 00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:15,450 things and some of these amazing stories 746 00:32:24,530 --> 00:32:18,630 that we all remember so well almost out 747 00:32:26,590 --> 00:32:24,540 of necessity and and originating ideas 748 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:26,600 that are now part of our everyday 749 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:31,290 vernacular I was just I was absolutely I 750 00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,610 was absolutely blown away by by what it 751 00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:37,620 took for them to create each of these 752 00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:40,440 episodes yeah well I think I believe 753 00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:42,270 that memos in the book on that 754 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:44,040 particular subject Roddenberry came up 755 00:32:50,270 --> 00:32:47,970 with the idea and and in a memo you know 756 00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:50,280 he said this will not only save us a lot 757 00:32:56,420 --> 00:32:52,950 of money and allow us to stay on budget 758 00:32:58,670 --> 00:32:56,430 but it will get us into the story 759 00:33:00,740 --> 00:32:58,680 quicker you can just open up the story 760 00:33:02,420 --> 00:33:00,750 captain's log and they step onto the 761 00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:02,430 transporter thing and they're down there 762 00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:03,720 on the planet and he said this is going 763 00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:06,060 to be such a fast way to get to the 764 00:33:10,670 --> 00:33:08,430 action and get to the danger and get to 765 00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:10,680 the stuff to hook the audience before we 766 00:33:15,620 --> 00:33:13,260 go into the first commercial and so and 767 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:15,630 I got another example right right from 768 00:33:22,460 --> 00:33:19,110 what Vic was talking about the the the 769 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:22,470 Vulcan uh crime probe yes 770 00:33:25,910 --> 00:33:24,330 oh man it's amazing that's in the first 771 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:25,920 book - and so that's in the audio book 772 00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,770 as well they did an episode called 773 00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:30,240 dagger the mine early in the first 774 00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:33,000 season and it was about a guy Simon Van 775 00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:34,500 Gelder who escaped from a penal colony 776 00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,380 and he gets aboard the enterprise and 777 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:40,080 and he's trying to tell them what has 778 00:33:45,340 --> 00:33:41,850 been happening down there but he can't 779 00:33:48,850 --> 00:33:45,350 because he's been subjected to a neural 780 00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:48,860 neutralizer probe that prevents him from 781 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:50,760 accessing these memories 782 00:33:56,030 --> 00:33:54,450 and so in the script spot Kirk's down on 783 00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:56,040 the planet but in the script Spock and 784 00:34:01,820 --> 00:33:59,220 McCoy hypnotized Van Gelder so that he 785 00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:01,830 can tell them what he's been trying to 786 00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:03,590 tell them and it won't be blocked and 787 00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:05,940 NBC the memos in the book you can read 788 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:07,680 it it says you know you cannot do this 789 00:34:11,870 --> 00:34:09,810 you cannot hypnotize somebody on the NBC 790 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:11,880 television network because they were 791 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:14,310 afraid they were afraid people watching 792 00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,110 might become hypnotized if they saw a 793 00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:18,300 watch going back and something like that 794 00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:21,060 and Roddenberry wrote back to Stan 795 00:34:26,150 --> 00:34:23,820 Robertson at NBC he says listen we need 796 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:26,160 to do this to make this story work and 797 00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:28,410 he's a dump it's against broadcast 798 00:34:31,850 --> 00:34:30,600 standards so Roddenberry sat down and he 799 00:34:34,070 --> 00:34:31,860 thought well how can we do this and he 800 00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:34,080 said I know I'm gonna have Spock touched 801 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:36,510 van Gelder's head and say remember 802 00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:40,020 remember whatever he says and and get 803 00:34:43,940 --> 00:34:41,910 and get the words to come out and then 804 00:34:45,410 --> 00:34:43,950 Spock is speaking the words for Van 805 00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:45,420 Gelder telling about the neural 806 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:47,190 neutralizer and whatever's going on down 807 00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:49,050 there which is now happening to Kirk 808 00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:51,900 who's down on the planet and and so it 809 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:53,790 was stuff like that 810 00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:55,650 because they had to get around the 811 00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:57,750 sensor and these are things might have 812 00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:59,940 been imagined but when you go through 813 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:01,320 the memos and you see all this stuff 814 00:35:06,410 --> 00:35:03,780 it's my god every episode was a battle I 815 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:06,420 can I can totally believe that 816 00:35:11,780 --> 00:35:08,130 I remember when Spock did that what did 817 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:11,790 that with that rock living rock that was 818 00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:13,530 in a minor 819 00:35:17,570 --> 00:35:15,390 yeah the Horta that was that was the 820 00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:17,580 first episode I saw in rewrite always 821 00:35:21,980 --> 00:35:19,800 and so that was done that was done a 822 00:35:25,220 --> 00:35:21,990 couple months later and if they hadn't 823 00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:25,230 come up with that device plot device in 824 00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:26,700 that earlier episode they wouldn't have 825 00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:28,200 had been able to do the the Horta 826 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:29,910 episode yeah they found multiple 827 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:33,210 episodes that followed opportunities to 828 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:36,330 use the Vulcan mind-meld and you know 829 00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,210 what you know Martin the neck pinch yeah 830 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:41,280 there was a ripped where this there was 831 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:43,110 an episode where the script called for 832 00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:45,210 Spock to punch somebody 833 00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:48,420 and spa and and Leonard Nimoy was like I 834 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:50,820 I don't think Spock would just punch 835 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:52,770 people he's not like a brute force kind 836 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:56,130 of guy so just like on the spot they 837 00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,690 come up with these things that are now 838 00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,760 just like I say they're part of our 839 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:02,400 culture and everybody knows about them 840 00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:04,290 but they were created in the 841 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:06,780 moments of necessity Anatomy yeah it was 842 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:08,310 he was supposed to give the guy a judo 843 00:36:15,110 --> 00:36:12,450 chop and D Moy they were on the set and 844 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:15,120 and this was for the enemy within which 845 00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:16,410 I think was before the episode they 846 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:18,030 filmed of the series after the two 847 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:20,610 pilots and Nimoy said he just wouldn't 848 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:23,250 do this and Leo Penh was directing of 849 00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:26,610 the father of Sean Penn and and Nimoy's 850 00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:28,200 talking to Leo Penn and saying you know 851 00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:29,940 see a Vulcan would not do this but you 852 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:31,260 know I got an idea 853 00:36:36,590 --> 00:36:34,670 Vulcans know all about the human 854 00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,600 electromagnetic system and everything 855 00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:38,400 else and we they would know there's a 856 00:36:42,260 --> 00:36:40,470 pressure point between the neck and the 857 00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:42,270 shoulder blades where you could actually 858 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:44,220 knock somebody out if you put pressure 859 00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:46,710 there and Leo Penn says oh really and he 860 00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:49,320 says oh yeah yeah it works ain't st. 861 00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:51,630 bill and Shatner was on the set but 862 00:36:54,620 --> 00:36:52,830 hadn't heard what they were even talking 863 00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:54,630 about he says people come over here and 864 00:36:59,150 --> 00:36:56,820 so Shatner walks over and he says I was 865 00:37:01,220 --> 00:36:59,160 telling Leo about the the Vulcan neck 866 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:01,230 pinch and he doesn't believe it so I 867 00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,330 want to show him how it works do you 868 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:05,040 mind if I do it to you and shan'er says 869 00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,250 no go ahead and and Nimoy reaches over 870 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:10,320 and squeezes his neck and Shatner 871 00:37:14,570 --> 00:37:12,330 without even knowing this is how fast 872 00:37:15,740 --> 00:37:14,580 Bill Shatner is without even knowing 873 00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:15,750 what the whole thing was about but he 874 00:37:20,650 --> 00:37:18,630 caught on he rolls his eyes up into his 875 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:20,660 head and he just collapses to the floor 876 00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:23,610 you know Leo Penn is that's incredible 877 00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:25,230 are you okay mr. Chanin are you alright 878 00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,910 he kind of little groggy but he says 879 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:29,280 yeah I'm I'm okay and they help him up 880 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:31,650 and he says all we got to do this and so 881 00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:32,850 they filmed it that way 882 00:37:37,550 --> 00:37:35,880 well the next day Roddenberry and Bob 883 00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:37,560 justman and John Dee Aflac are in 884 00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:40,260 dailies watching the footage and they 885 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:42,510 see that and there's a memo in the book 886 00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:44,250 for that episode where Gene Roddenberry 887 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:46,260 writes Leonard Nimoy a letter and just 888 00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,810 tears them to pieces over it politely 889 00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:50,940 but professionally and says you can 890 00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:53,640 never do this again you don't know what 891 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:55,320 we're writing for the next episode of 892 00:37:58,580 --> 00:37:57,090 the episode about that you can't change 893 00:38:00,830 --> 00:37:58,590 a strip like that after it's been 894 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:00,840 approved by the network and and this 895 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:02,610 letter goes on for about a page and a 896 00:38:06,590 --> 00:38:04,410 half and he's just bringing Leonard 897 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:06,600 Nimoy to task and then the last line 898 00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:08,970 says but we're gonna keep this and we're 899 00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:11,430 gonna start putting in scripts sincerely 900 00:38:16,690 --> 00:38:14,280 G Roddenberry Wow amazing I feel like I 901 00:38:20,170 --> 00:38:16,700 could talk about this forever never 902 00:38:21,580 --> 00:38:20,180 and it's just so amazing but one of the 903 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:21,590 things I want to talk about right now if 904 00:38:28,510 --> 00:38:23,570 it's alright with that both view is the 905 00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:28,520 actors - I think are great luck I saw 906 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:32,000 the first pilot and it's with a 907 00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:34,010 different act or not not a William 908 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:37,280 Shatner editor yeah and I think William 909 00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:40,850 Shatner did a much better job they all 910 00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:45,440 did yeah but also he's amazing he is 88 911 00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:46,400 years old 912 00:38:52,450 --> 00:38:48,950 he's still full of total energy as 913 00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:52,460 someone I saw that I forget who it was I 914 00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:54,260 went to to meet him and he was like 915 00:38:59,320 --> 00:38:57,440 still so full of energy at 88 when he's 916 00:39:02,560 --> 00:38:59,330 80 years old he rode across the country 917 00:39:05,790 --> 00:39:02,570 on a motorcycle he's an amazing guy and 918 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:05,800 then Leonard Nimoy oh my goodness when I 919 00:39:13,630 --> 00:39:09,770 when he passed away I I just saw that 920 00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,640 billboard with that said he did and you 921 00:39:17,590 --> 00:39:15,920 didn't even have to under if you ever 922 00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:17,600 watched Star Trek you know exactly what 923 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:19,910 that meant he lived long and prospered 924 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:23,690 and yeah yeah that must have been really 925 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:25,250 exciting to talk to him I've always 926 00:39:29,710 --> 00:39:27,530 always thought and there was a 927 00:39:32,860 --> 00:39:29,720 documentary out about his life I thought 928 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:32,870 was fascinating yeah I helped out on 929 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:36,650 that Adam Adam direct directed and 930 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:39,290 produced that the love for the love of 931 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:42,170 Spock I believe in round yes grand and I 932 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:44,000 was I was a consultant on that because 933 00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:47,570 Leonard had Adam come call me and so I 934 00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:48,680 get a phone call out of the blue from 935 00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:51,260 Adam Nimoy and he says my dad told me to 936 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:53,870 call you because of the book she wrote 937 00:39:58,450 --> 00:39:55,970 he says you know Star Trek better than 938 00:39:59,920 --> 00:39:58,460 anybody and so let and you got all the 939 00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,930 memos and you got all this stuff so 940 00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:02,480 would you help us with this thing so you 941 00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:05,150 know I met with him and I just as a very 942 00:40:11,170 --> 00:40:07,310 minor thing just just was like a 943 00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:11,180 consultant for him and I think it's a 944 00:40:14,350 --> 00:40:13,310 beautiful beautiful movie and and 945 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:14,360 Leonard was going to be part of that 946 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:17,050 they were doing that together and and 947 00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:20,090 Leonard passed away just days before 948 00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:23,180 they were going to shoot his interview 949 00:40:28,030 --> 00:40:25,700 segments huh so it kind of kind of 950 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:28,040 stalled it for a bit but then Adam said 951 00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:29,210 no we're going to go ahead and finish it 952 00:40:32,290 --> 00:40:30,230 and 953 00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,300 it's a wonderful show if anybody hasn't 954 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:34,400 seen it for the love of spunk yeah yeah 955 00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:37,570 that's really good and there's so many 956 00:40:42,970 --> 00:40:41,150 actors that were just amazing and so 957 00:40:44,830 --> 00:40:42,980 many catchphrases you hear out there you 958 00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:44,840 know people will still like you know 959 00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:47,270 whether it's gonna blow captain you know 960 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:50,720 I mean is this she can do no more you 961 00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,460 know and by the way in Star Trek 962 00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:54,560 continues Scotty's played by Chris 963 00:41:00,250 --> 00:40:58,160 Doohan James Doohan son and he looks so 964 00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,260 much like his father and so much like 965 00:41:04,330 --> 00:41:02,720 his father it's amazing I didn't I tell 966 00:41:07,330 --> 00:41:04,340 you hon oh my goodness 967 00:41:08,980 --> 00:41:07,340 yeah I did eh I was called in to do a 968 00:41:12,250 --> 00:41:08,990 thing for the History Channel a 50-year 969 00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:12,260 anniversary did a three hour show on 970 00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:15,040 Star Trek and they called everybody and 971 00:41:18,910 --> 00:41:17,150 Dorothy Fontana was in the makeup chair 972 00:41:20,530 --> 00:41:18,920 right before me and she got interviewed 973 00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:20,540 and then they brought me in and then 974 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:23,320 they brought in people after us and and 975 00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:25,850 and we all did our little testimonial 976 00:41:30,130 --> 00:41:28,430 things were answering questions and I 977 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:30,140 said something on that show it just 978 00:41:33,370 --> 00:41:31,250 occurred to me 979 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:33,380 mark Altman was behind the camera asking 980 00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:35,090 the questions and and I said and he 981 00:41:39,610 --> 00:41:37,160 mentioned what you just did Martin about 982 00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:39,620 the the cast and what it would have been 983 00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:41,990 like and I said you know Star Trek was 984 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:45,830 like the Beatles of TV in the 1960s and 985 00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:48,290 if you had taken the four Beatles and if 986 00:41:51,790 --> 00:41:49,910 you had taken any one of them out of the 987 00:41:53,650 --> 00:41:51,800 group John Lennon Paul McCartney George 988 00:41:56,580 --> 00:41:53,660 Harrison Ringo Starr it wouldn't have 989 00:41:59,470 --> 00:41:56,590 been the same it was just this magical 990 00:42:01,720 --> 00:41:59,480 grouping of four people that made that 991 00:42:04,540 --> 00:42:01,730 happen oh and I said the same thing with 992 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:04,550 Star Trek if you if you took Bob justman 993 00:42:09,250 --> 00:42:07,490 or Dorothy Fontana or Jean Koon or Gene 994 00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:09,260 Roddenberry out of the mix it wouldn't 995 00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:11,030 have been the same show and if you took 996 00:42:14,770 --> 00:42:12,920 William Shatner Leonard Nimoy DeForest 997 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:14,780 Kelley or James Doohan out it wouldn't 998 00:42:20,110 --> 00:42:17,090 have been the same show you know it's 999 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:20,120 just the the caliber of talent and how 1000 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:22,970 they connected it creates that that 1001 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:25,730 magical thing that is hard to understand 1002 00:42:30,580 --> 00:42:27,410 how it came about but it's it's almost 1003 00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,590 like fate right I'd like to talk about 1004 00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:32,960 if either one of you know about how 1005 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:38,240 close Star Trek came to not happening I 1006 00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:40,850 mean there was a lot of hurdles that had 1007 00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:43,500 to be jumped over is that right 1008 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:47,070 oh absolutely first of all well I'll 1009 00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,530 tell you how it got made Lucille Ball 1010 00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:51,599 was running desi lewd she and Desi 1011 00:42:56,810 --> 00:42:53,730 started the studio with the money they 1012 00:42:58,609 --> 00:42:56,820 had made from I Love Lucy reruns and the 1013 00:43:00,320 --> 00:42:58,619 reason they made the money is because I 1014 00:43:02,089 --> 00:43:00,330 look back then all sitcoms were done 1015 00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:02,099 live out in New York and they would tape 1016 00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,900 them off a TV screen on the west coast 1017 00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,480 and make a kinescope to air three hours 1018 00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:08,400 later and that's how they wanted to do I 1019 00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:09,180 Love Lucy 1020 00:43:15,020 --> 00:43:11,609 but desi and Lucy lived in LA and they 1021 00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:15,030 wanted to stay there so desi said let's 1022 00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:16,980 do it on film with three film cameras in 1023 00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:18,630 front of a studio audience he invented 1024 00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:21,480 that technique and and Harry Ackerman of 1025 00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:22,859 CBS said well that's going to cost too 1026 00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:24,320 much and he said I'll pay the difference 1027 00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:27,510 if I can have the reruns and I'm not 1028 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:29,849 joking the response he got from CBS was 1029 00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:33,050 what's a rerun there never been one 1030 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:35,940 everything it was live and and the 1031 00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:37,410 kinescopes were not good enough quality 1032 00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:38,550 to do it I mean you can look at those 1033 00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:40,020 old honeymooners and you see how bad 1034 00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:41,310 they look for that for that very reason 1035 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:44,670 and so after a couple years of being 1036 00:43:49,940 --> 00:43:48,330 number one on CBS they came to Lucy and 1037 00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:49,950 Desi and said we want to buy back the 1038 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:52,320 reruns and gave them a few million 1039 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:53,730 dollars and they used that money to buy 1040 00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:55,410 RKO and turned it into Desilu 1041 00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:56,730 productions and started filming 1042 00:44:01,160 --> 00:43:58,890 everybody else's shows Andy Griffith 1043 00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,170 Dick Van Dyke all those shows but they 1044 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:04,560 didn't own him and and and so after desi 1045 00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:06,450 was gone Lucy was running the 1046 00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:08,460 reluctantly the president of Desi Lou 1047 00:44:14,060 --> 00:44:11,339 and she told her staff bring me a show 1048 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:14,070 that can rerun as long as I Love Lucy is 1049 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:16,530 going to rerun and they brought her star 1050 00:44:21,620 --> 00:44:19,050 trek herb solo and an Oscar Katz 1051 00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:21,630 brought her star trek and she believed 1052 00:44:25,849 --> 00:44:23,609 in it and she was the champion and her 1053 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:25,859 board of directors even after NBC 1054 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:27,690 ordered a pilot tried to talk her out of 1055 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:29,250 making it and that was the one you 1056 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:30,810 mentioned Martin with Jeffrey hunter and 1057 00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:33,450 they rejected it as being too cerebral 1058 00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:35,160 but they ordered another pilot which had 1059 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:36,119 never happened before 1060 00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:38,490 and that first pilot costs seven hundred 1061 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:40,470 thousand dollars which was just unheard 1062 00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:42,810 of in those days and so they did the 1063 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:44,280 second one where no man has gone before 1064 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:46,650 which costs about five hundred thousand 1065 00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:51,210 and and designee NBC put up half the 1066 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:53,310 money and then NBC said we'll take it 1067 00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,410 and they put in an order for 16 episodes 1068 00:44:59,059 --> 00:44:57,359 which back then was half a season 1069 00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:59,069 and again the Board of Directors tried 1070 00:45:03,499 --> 00:45:00,839 to talk Luciana doing it they said it's 1071 00:45:06,109 --> 00:45:03,509 going to bankrupt the studio and she 1072 00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,119 went with it anyway well it did bankrupt 1073 00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:07,920 the studio and halfway through the 1074 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:09,630 second season she had to sell Disney 1075 00:45:13,339 --> 00:45:11,249 looted paramount and the first thing 1076 00:45:15,289 --> 00:45:13,349 they did was they cut the budget to Star 1077 00:45:17,539 --> 00:45:15,299 Trek and Bob justman there's a memo in 1078 00:45:19,009 --> 00:45:17,549 the third-season book recess he says 1079 00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:19,019 we're trying to do half a science 1080 00:45:22,999 --> 00:45:20,819 fiction movie a week on the budget of a 1081 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:23,009 radio show and that's why the third 1082 00:45:28,099 --> 00:45:25,410 season isn't quite as good generally 1083 00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:28,109 speaking as the first two but there are 1084 00:45:32,059 --> 00:45:30,180 still many many excellent episodes in 1085 00:45:34,759 --> 00:45:32,069 that third season and and it's still 1086 00:45:37,309 --> 00:45:34,769 Star Trek you know but but that it was a 1087 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:37,319 challenge to get it on because it was 1088 00:45:41,660 --> 00:45:39,690 something that had not been done and it 1089 00:45:43,549 --> 00:45:41,670 was gonna cost so much and then it was a 1090 00:45:47,180 --> 00:45:43,559 challenge to keep it on because the 1091 00:45:50,449 --> 00:45:47,190 stories were too hot for NBC interesting 1092 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:50,459 Wow totally amazing Vic 1093 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:53,249 as far as your production goes did you 1094 00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:56,130 have any big hurdles to get over or how 1095 00:46:01,059 --> 00:45:58,170 did that all work oh yeah and I'll tell 1096 00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:01,069 you something one of the things that I 1097 00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:03,660 it made me laugh when I read the books 1098 00:46:08,479 --> 00:46:05,880 when I recorded the audiobook for these 1099 00:46:12,249 --> 00:46:08,489 are the voyages I was amazed at how many 1100 00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:12,259 things how many hurdles and how many 1101 00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:15,180 difficulties they had in making the 1102 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:18,329 original series that we had exactly the 1103 00:46:26,779 --> 00:46:22,410 same it was so funny it sounded so 1104 00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:26,789 familiar there you know there are always 1105 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:30,119 challenges in production but if you 1106 00:46:33,380 --> 00:46:31,410 consider Martin that you're bringing 1107 00:46:37,189 --> 00:46:33,390 together a bunch of people and you you 1108 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:37,199 can't Star Trek is a licensed property 1109 00:46:41,269 --> 00:46:40,650 so you can't just make Star Trek and 1110 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:41,279 sell it 1111 00:46:46,189 --> 00:46:43,650 you can't profit from somebody else's 1112 00:46:48,769 --> 00:46:46,199 property now that's not why we made Star 1113 00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:48,779 Trek continues we made it to pay tribute 1114 00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:51,209 to the series we paid we made Star Trek 1115 00:46:56,769 --> 00:46:54,209 continues out of love and to honor the 1116 00:46:59,420 --> 00:46:56,779 original series not to make a penny 1117 00:47:00,799 --> 00:46:59,430 everybody coming into the production 1118 00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:00,809 knew from the get-go 1119 00:47:07,279 --> 00:47:04,619 ISAT everyone down ahead of time and I 1120 00:47:09,709 --> 00:47:07,289 said now we're gonna have a lot of fun 1121 00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:09,719 and you're gonna be a part of something 1122 00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:10,800 very special 1123 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:12,900 but there is no money to be made here 1124 00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:15,810 like zero everybody know that right off 1125 00:47:22,610 --> 00:47:18,900 it right off the bat but everybody was 1126 00:47:25,310 --> 00:47:22,620 involved and I got to tell you for us to 1127 00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:25,320 make eleven full-length episodes 1128 00:47:31,540 --> 00:47:27,960 I'm talking like hour-long just like the 1129 00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:31,550 original series 11 full-length episodes 1130 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:36,320 across a five-year run with 30 or 40 1131 00:47:43,220 --> 00:47:40,290 production people and I could count on 1132 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:43,230 one hand the number of people that we 1133 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:47,450 lost along the way is unheard of we had 1134 00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:51,240 virtually no attrition we had the same 1135 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:54,300 people we very much became like a family 1136 00:47:59,630 --> 00:47:56,850 we have the same people come back twice 1137 00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,640 a year and and we would make episodes 1138 00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:01,200 together we would descend on this 1139 00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,440 wonderful little town in in Georgia and 1140 00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:06,960 and spend eight or ten days there 1141 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:09,420 shooting an episode and we had all of 1142 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:11,850 the challenges of a regular television 1143 00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:15,290 show and the funny thing was that you 1144 00:48:20,090 --> 00:48:17,700 don't have you're not you're not paying 1145 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:20,100 people tons of money so you don't have 1146 00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:22,410 any leverage you know what I mean you 1147 00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:24,660 can't say I'm gonna dock your pay or I'm 1148 00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:26,550 gonna fire you and hire somebody else 1149 00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:29,700 you are basically at the mercy of the 1150 00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:32,460 goodwill of everybody involved the 1151 00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:35,940 actors the production people everyone 1152 00:48:41,470 --> 00:48:38,580 you're hoping that they are as committed 1153 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:41,480 to this project as you are and 1154 00:48:46,310 --> 00:48:44,970 unfortunately they all were and that 1155 00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,320 even though we did have a lot of 1156 00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:49,440 challenges we overcame them very much in 1157 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:51,180 the same way the original series 1158 00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:54,570 production team did and I'm so so proud 1159 00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:57,540 of of everyone that worked on on Star 1160 00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:00,540 Trek continues yeah yeah I can't wait to 1161 00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:02,910 watch it I mean I'm I'm in the third 1162 00:49:07,580 --> 00:49:05,430 episode and I'm eight for you to watch 1163 00:49:10,460 --> 00:49:07,590 it like I told you everyone just gets 1164 00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:10,470 better and better and better yeah yeah 1165 00:49:14,990 --> 00:49:12,870 and you do an excellent Captain Kirk by 1166 00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:15,000 the way you look a little bit like them 1167 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:19,020 you know I I love Bill Shatner so much 1168 00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:22,170 and Captain Kirk was a role model to me 1169 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:23,910 I mean like I mentioned earlier in your 1170 00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:24,450 show 1171 00:49:29,810 --> 00:49:26,460 my mom and I moved into an apartment by 1172 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:29,820 ourselves my dad was gone and there was 1173 00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:32,250 this guy on this show 1174 00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:35,790 mm-hmm he was handsome and strong and 1175 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:37,560 and brave and he went on these 1176 00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:40,530 adventures and he and he and he he 1177 00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:43,680 protected his friends and he and Captain 1178 00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:46,110 Kirk very much became a father figure to 1179 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:52,110 me so when it came time to to start this 1180 00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:54,810 series and to play that character it was 1181 00:50:01,400 --> 00:49:57,300 a little scary because I wanted it so 1182 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:01,410 much to be good I I wanted so much to to 1183 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:04,770 pay Shatner and Star Trek the the 1184 00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:07,130 tribute and the honor that they were due 1185 00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:10,260 so it was it was a big challenge but the 1186 00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:12,510 last thing I ever wanted would be for 1187 00:50:16,940 --> 00:50:14,190 anyone to think that I was doing some 1188 00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:16,950 kind of a satire some kind of a parody 1189 00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:19,800 of of Kirk like a lot of you know 1190 00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:21,900 comedians will do the you know you don't 1191 00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:23,550 know that can I think yeah well what 1192 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:25,260 what about the hesitation you're not 1193 00:50:29,570 --> 00:50:27,930 doing it well you know what I'll tell 1194 00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:29,580 you let me answer that here's what I 1195 00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:32,640 will tell you about that Martin whenever 1196 00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:35,640 we would shoot an episode I would take 1197 00:50:40,340 --> 00:50:38,280 the first ad the assistant director I'd 1198 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:40,350 take him aside and I would say now 1199 00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:43,290 listen Scott his name was Scotty Scotty 1200 00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:46,380 Whitehurst Scotty if you see me doing 1201 00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:53,250 too much Shatner let me know if I do too 1202 00:51:01,640 --> 00:50:59,880 much and and he did and we would shoot a 1203 00:51:04,190 --> 00:51:01,650 scene and he would pull me aside 1204 00:51:07,550 --> 00:51:04,200 occasionally and he would say and there 1205 00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:07,560 was a little too much that got in there 1206 00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:08,960 and I'd be like okay let's do it again 1207 00:51:15,250 --> 00:51:12,480 so my goal was to make people feel like 1208 00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:15,260 they were watching the same characters 1209 00:51:22,550 --> 00:51:18,780 but not a parody of those characters not 1210 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:22,560 a satire of those characters you know no 1211 00:51:29,740 --> 00:51:25,890 no offense to Chris Pine but we don't 1212 00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:29,750 need a reimagining of Captain Kirk 1213 00:51:37,130 --> 00:51:34,920 Shatner wrote the book he is Kirk I've 1214 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:37,140 spent enough time around him to know he 1215 00:51:43,340 --> 00:51:38,130 is Captain 1216 00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:43,350 and and so my desire was not to reinvent 1217 00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:46,800 or reimagine the character but merely to 1218 00:51:51,350 --> 00:51:49,560 pay homage to him and make our viewers 1219 00:51:53,330 --> 00:51:51,360 feel like they were watching the same 1220 00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,340 characters sure their faces were a 1221 00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:55,680 little different and it's it's been 50 1222 00:52:00,980 --> 00:51:58,920 years but most of our fans say that 1223 00:52:02,570 --> 00:52:00,990 after ten minutes they feel like they're 1224 00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:02,580 watching episodes that were locked in a 1225 00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:04,440 vault somewhere for 50 years yeah that's 1226 00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:06,510 what I'm feeling is a better compliment 1227 00:52:12,350 --> 00:52:09,720 than that yeah I agree with that Clement 1228 00:52:15,860 --> 00:52:12,360 how about William Shatner himself has he 1229 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:15,870 ever given you any feedback not 1230 00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:19,050 specifically yeah but I know that he 1231 00:52:26,060 --> 00:52:22,680 knows about the show I know that fans 1232 00:52:28,310 --> 00:52:26,070 have told him about it and and and like 1233 00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:28,320 I said I I do a lot of voice acting work 1234 00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:32,220 so I've been I've been Atkin many 1235 00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:34,710 conventions with bill as a signing guest 1236 00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:38,040 I would sign autographs based on a lot 1237 00:52:42,110 --> 00:52:39,510 of the voice-acting work that I've done 1238 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:42,120 and Bill might be three or four tables 1239 00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:44,370 down signing autographs yeah and we have 1240 00:52:49,460 --> 00:52:47,400 the same Event Manager so consequently 1241 00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:49,470 we would get booked into a lot of events 1242 00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:51,180 together we've had dinners together 1243 00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:55,140 we've traveled together and Bill knows 1244 00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:58,770 how much how much I love and respect and 1245 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:01,680 admire him so I think he knows I had the 1246 00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:03,450 chance to tell him that Star Trek 1247 00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:07,800 continues was literally a tribute to him 1248 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:10,500 and and the others that made the 1249 00:53:15,350 --> 00:53:12,810 original series because I know Martin 1250 00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,360 that there are hundreds of thousands of 1251 00:53:20,650 --> 00:53:18,240 people out there just like me who were 1252 00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:20,660 so impacted by that show they were so 1253 00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:24,660 inspired and moved by that show mark 1254 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:26,670 touched on it earlier people that went 1255 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:29,130 on to become engineers and teachers and 1256 00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:31,650 scientists because of that show and 1257 00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:34,470 those characters right so I know that 1258 00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:37,680 when we made Star Trek continues there 1259 00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:40,070 were hundreds of thousands of people 1260 00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:50,400 oops beyond that you know show and be a 1261 00:53:55,170 --> 00:53:53,680 part of that yeah okay we had a little 1262 00:53:56,670 --> 00:53:55,180 bit of a Skype issue right then but 1263 00:54:01,319 --> 00:53:56,680 that's fine it looks looks like it's 1264 00:54:03,630 --> 00:54:01,329 okay oh yeah so we I guess we can take 1265 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:03,640 it into break at this point and this is 1266 00:54:11,819 --> 00:54:05,770 a real break we'll be right back in just 1267 00:54:15,390 --> 00:54:11,829 a few minutes all righty 1268 00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,400 and the shows have an answer here for 1269 00:54:20,579 --> 00:54:16,960 either one of you whatever you say I 1270 00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:20,589 just wondered have you ever thought 1271 00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,839 about the subject of UFOs does that ever 1272 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:24,400 intrigue either one of you I don't know 1273 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:25,690 which one wants to go first 1274 00:54:32,370 --> 00:54:28,569 I'm gonna go for a while go ahead Vic 1275 00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:32,380 first this time cuz it'll be short I've 1276 00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,150 always been intrigued by the Martin and 1277 00:54:41,970 --> 00:54:36,160 I'll tell you a funny story when I was 1278 00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:41,980 young when I was probably 12 13 14 I I 1279 00:54:48,750 --> 00:54:45,640 made a little flying saucer and I 1280 00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:48,760 suspended it from a fishing line and I 1281 00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,329 went outside I went outside and I hung 1282 00:54:58,740 --> 00:54:55,119 it held had a friend hold it in the air 1283 00:55:00,120 --> 00:54:58,750 and and I took pictures of it and it 1284 00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,130 looked and it was a forced perspective 1285 00:55:04,109 --> 00:55:02,079 thing because the thing was only this 1286 00:55:06,299 --> 00:55:04,119 big right yeah but it was close to the 1287 00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:06,309 camera but it looked like it was 1288 00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:08,140 hovering over the houses in my 1289 00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,000 neighborhood my god have you ever heard 1290 00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:12,880 of billy meier and I took pictures of it 1291 00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:17,049 with a Polaroid Land Camera and then I 1292 00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:18,670 took those pictures to school and 1293 00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:24,400 convinced half my school do you know 1294 00:55:31,049 --> 00:55:26,799 what I made do you know what I made the 1295 00:55:34,740 --> 00:55:31,059 UFO out of I made it out of a piece of 1296 00:55:36,569 --> 00:55:34,750 the Space Station k-7 from the Star Trek 1297 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:36,579 episode the trouble with tribbles 1298 00:55:40,770 --> 00:55:39,010 oh that's when the little little little 1299 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:40,780 thing little balls of fur come yeah a 1300 00:55:47,099 --> 00:55:44,290 little the little saucer-shaped and and 1301 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:47,109 I and and the pictures looked so real 1302 00:55:52,049 --> 00:55:50,170 that everybody just they totally 1303 00:55:53,609 --> 00:55:52,059 believed that I'd seen your thumb I 1304 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:53,619 actually wanted to talk about the 1305 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:54,970 trouble with tribbles I love that 1306 00:55:59,550 --> 00:55:57,130 episode but anyway that's pretty awesome 1307 00:56:02,400 --> 00:55:59,560 there's a guy named billy meier 1308 00:56:05,609 --> 00:56:02,410 I don't know some people really believe 1309 00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,619 in his work but there's been a lot of 1310 00:56:11,099 --> 00:56:07,920 speculations about that type of thing 1311 00:56:14,270 --> 00:56:11,109 fishing pole and to get some of the 1312 00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,280 pictures he has well very creative 1313 00:56:19,020 --> 00:56:17,440 nowadays the technology exists to allow 1314 00:56:21,570 --> 00:56:19,030 you to you could fake just about 1315 00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:21,580 anything but back when I did this it was 1316 00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:25,119 like the mid 70s late 70s so you know it 1317 00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:27,849 was literally just hanging hanging a 1318 00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:29,830 model of Maya fishing wire taking a 1319 00:56:35,550 --> 00:56:31,960 photo of it well I'll just before we 1320 00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:35,560 move on to mark before we move on to him 1321 00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:37,480 I just want to tell you a quick story I 1322 00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:40,300 just mentioned Billy Mayer two of I'm in 1323 00:56:44,330 --> 00:56:42,310 the fine arts and antiques and auctions 1324 00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:44,340 and stuff like that for my real life and 1325 00:56:50,099 --> 00:56:48,130 just recently at Sotheby's to I think 1326 00:56:53,820 --> 00:56:50,109 two or four maybe it's four of his 1327 00:56:58,920 --> 00:56:53,830 pictures sold his early 1960s pictures 1328 00:57:00,780 --> 00:56:58,930 of flying saucers sold for over $20,000 1329 00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:00,790 we're talking about photographs raised 1330 00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,200 did you say view Polaroid you know what 1331 00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:06,880 I'll bet it's in a drawer at my mother's 1332 00:57:13,579 --> 00:57:10,839 house somewhere I know that could be a 1333 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:13,589 funding for your next project all right 1334 00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:15,930 mark what about you have you ever 1335 00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:19,599 contemplated the topic of UFOs oh all 1336 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:21,960 the time I I completely believe in it 1337 00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,330 I've seen a lot of specials and movies 1338 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:27,520 and videos on it and so forth and 1339 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:28,810 there's just so many things out there 1340 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:31,450 that are hard to explain almost 1341 00:57:37,770 --> 00:57:35,170 impossible to explain and and and when I 1342 00:57:41,250 --> 00:57:37,780 was on that dairy farm as a boy up near 1343 00:57:44,550 --> 00:57:41,260 in Tillamook Oregon I saw what I 1344 00:57:46,349 --> 00:57:44,560 believed was a UFO and I can't say if it 1345 00:57:49,050 --> 00:57:46,359 was saucer shaped or not because there 1346 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:49,060 was so much light coming out of it but I 1347 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:52,770 couldn't really discern the exact shape 1348 00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:56,170 but it's also round something but it 1349 00:58:01,740 --> 00:57:58,690 just was immense light and no sound 1350 00:58:03,570 --> 00:58:01,750 whatsoever silent and we were surrounded 1351 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:03,580 by mountain ranges I mean as I said 1352 00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:05,770 earlier we couldn't get channel 8 out of 1353 00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,670 Portland this was a very backed area 1354 00:58:15,450 --> 00:58:11,440 you know where we had a 160-acre dairy 1355 00:58:17,819 --> 00:58:15,460 farm in Timberland and and I saw this 1356 00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:17,829 thing for a couple minutes just hovering 1357 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:20,799 over one of our pastures and and out 1358 00:58:25,170 --> 00:58:22,930 there by the way you know the sky is 1359 00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:25,180 just filled with stars because there's 1360 00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:27,670 no it's no city and and the climate up 1361 00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:30,520 there in Oregon where I grew up and so 1362 00:58:35,309 --> 00:58:33,190 this thing was just illuminating it was 1363 00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,319 incredible and yet it was so eerie 1364 00:58:41,099 --> 00:58:37,359 because there was no silence and then it 1365 00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:41,109 just went and and went off like a streak 1366 00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:43,780 and it was gone and and this was when I 1367 00:58:48,780 --> 00:58:46,720 was about 9 or 10 so ever since then 1368 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:48,790 I've been into it and I've been read 1369 00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:50,410 about it and watched it and listened to 1370 00:58:55,170 --> 00:58:52,809 shows like yours Martin and so forth and 1371 00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:55,180 and you know when you look at we were 1372 00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:56,079 talking about Star Trek 1373 00:59:00,260 --> 00:58:57,730 you know when gene submitted the 1374 00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:00,270 original proposal for the series to 1375 00:59:06,809 --> 00:59:03,940 Desilu and then to NBC it the first 1376 00:59:12,539 --> 00:59:06,819 pager to is just mathematical equations 1377 00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:12,549 of the the probability of planets out 1378 00:59:19,579 --> 00:59:15,670 there that could have life on them and 1379 00:59:22,020 --> 00:59:19,589 and if only one out of a billion 1380 00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:22,030 supports life and if only one out of a 1381 00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:24,130 billion of those has life that evolves 1382 00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:28,500 to intelligence there would still be 20 1383 00:59:33,539 --> 00:59:31,569 million billion planets that could have 1384 00:59:35,010 --> 00:59:33,549 life making these numbers up but their 1385 00:59:37,410 --> 00:59:35,020 life that I mean the numbers are just 1386 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:37,420 immense in this proposal that he's 1387 00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,690 submitted and and they did a great UFO 1388 00:59:46,020 --> 00:59:42,640 episode in Star Trek that Dorothy 1389 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:46,030 Fontana wrote tomorrow is yesterday 1390 00:59:51,390 --> 00:59:48,970 where the enterprise is thrown back in 1391 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:51,400 time they were on their way to earth and 1392 00:59:55,319 --> 00:59:54,130 they they could probably tell us the 1393 00:59:56,970 --> 00:59:55,329 reason why I was talking about the 1394 00:59:59,579 --> 00:59:56,980 magnetic pole of the Sun or something 1395 01:00:02,099 --> 00:59:59,589 and whip them around and so they arrive 1396 01:00:04,620 --> 01:00:02,109 at earth but nobody's responding to 1397 01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:04,630 their hailing frequencies and then we go 1398 01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:07,089 down on earth and we see we see the Jets 1399 01:00:11,609 --> 01:00:08,950 being scrambled because the enterprise 1400 01:00:14,910 --> 01:00:11,619 has been spotted as a UFO and so they've 1401 01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:14,920 ended up in not like 1967 earth and the 1402 01:00:19,049 --> 01:00:16,750 Jets are pursuing the enterprise and 1403 01:00:21,150 --> 01:00:19,059 terrific episode now they have to beam 1404 01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:21,160 the pile of the board because the planes 1405 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:22,960 cracking up they put it in tractor beam 1406 01:00:26,190 --> 01:00:23,530 and it starts 1407 01:00:28,830 --> 01:00:26,200 break up so they beam the pilot aboard 1408 01:00:31,950 --> 01:00:28,840 the enterprise and and he's he's 1409 01:00:33,930 --> 01:00:31,960 confronted with this thing from 300 1410 01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:33,940 years in the future and a Vulcan and 1411 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:35,470 everything else and they have to figure 1412 01:00:40,410 --> 01:00:37,690 out a way to get him back and destroy 1413 01:00:43,590 --> 01:00:40,420 any evidence any of the film from his 1414 01:00:44,610 --> 01:00:43,600 plane that got shots of the enterprise 1415 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:44,620 and stuff like that 1416 01:00:49,260 --> 01:00:47,650 so they were all into it of course and 1417 01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:49,270 you know all the scripts from Star Trek 1418 01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,400 went over to NASA and the RAND 1419 01:00:55,740 --> 01:00:53,680 Corporation and so forth and they got 1420 01:00:58,020 --> 01:00:55,750 they got feedback on everything they did 1421 01:01:01,410 --> 01:00:58,030 and Gene Roddenberry said look I'm not 1422 01:01:04,290 --> 01:01:01,420 asking that the stuff we do is probable 1423 01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:04,300 but I want to know that everything we do 1424 01:01:08,910 --> 01:01:07,660 in this show is possible and and so all 1425 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:08,920 that stuff went through and again you 1426 01:01:13,620 --> 01:01:10,570 see a lot of those memos and those notes 1427 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:13,630 in the books as well so that's why that 1428 01:01:18,540 --> 01:01:16,570 show rang true where the other science 1429 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:18,550 fiction shows didn't is because NASA was 1430 01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:20,170 so into that show and they were so 1431 01:01:25,230 --> 01:01:22,150 hooked on it when they did Star Trek the 1432 01:01:27,780 --> 01:01:25,240 motion picture NASA loan them the they 1433 01:01:29,220 --> 01:01:27,790 made two voyagers one was a mock-up and 1434 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:29,230 the other was one they sent off into 1435 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:32,050 space and in that episode they 1436 01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:34,210 encountered Voyager returning to Earth 1437 01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:37,870 jeej and which is featured in the movie 1438 01:01:43,260 --> 01:01:39,670 because some of the letters are rubbed 1439 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:43,270 down and NASA blown them the Voyager 1440 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:44,770 mock-ups and when you watch Star Trek 1441 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:46,210 the motion picture that's the actual 1442 01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:49,930 mock-up for the Voyager space probe so 1443 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:52,240 they were into it I've got these real 1444 01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:54,490 quick I I continued with a series of 1445 01:01:57,690 --> 01:01:56,050 these books these are the voyages and 1446 01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,700 I've got a fourth one out now and a 1447 01:02:02,700 --> 01:01:59,440 fifth one coming out in a few months 1448 01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:02,710 which take care of the 70s which is the 1449 01:02:06,510 --> 01:02:04,510 animated series the aborted Phase two 1450 01:02:08,610 --> 01:02:06,520 series and Star Trek the motion picture 1451 01:02:10,290 --> 01:02:08,620 but also the the coming of the 1452 01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:10,300 conventions and the growing of the fan 1453 01:02:14,730 --> 01:02:11,830 base and everything that was happening 1454 01:02:16,260 --> 01:02:14,740 during that decade and there was a part 1455 01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:16,270 of it that just gives me chills will be 1456 01:02:20,370 --> 01:02:17,710 in the fifth book that will be out in 1457 01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:20,380 the spring that Roddenberry was hired by 1458 01:02:27,690 --> 01:02:23,260 a group out of New York called the nine 1459 01:02:29,490 --> 01:02:27,700 and if they put him with a channeler who 1460 01:02:31,830 --> 01:02:29,500 was speaking for aliens who had visited 1461 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:31,840 earth and we're preparing to come back 1462 01:02:36,730 --> 01:02:34,690 and they were recruiting people like him 1463 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:36,740 to help prepare 1464 01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:39,290 for the return and they wanted him to 1465 01:02:42,250 --> 01:02:41,030 write a movie that would help prepare us 1466 01:02:45,130 --> 01:02:42,260 and they thought the Star Trek had done 1467 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:45,140 really good in that area as well so the 1468 01:02:50,350 --> 01:02:46,850 aliens were watching Star Trek you know 1469 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:50,360 and and and this the I have the 1470 01:02:54,430 --> 01:02:52,010 transcripts and I put a big chunk of 1471 01:02:56,859 --> 01:02:54,440 that in the book and it's the questions 1472 01:02:58,300 --> 01:02:56,869 he asks are just incredible and the 1473 01:03:00,760 --> 01:02:58,310 answers that he's getting from the 1474 01:03:02,620 --> 01:03:00,770 channel or are fascinating you may be 1475 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:02,630 aware of it of that research and 1476 01:03:07,930 --> 01:03:04,970 everything Martin but it was all new to 1477 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:07,940 me and I was had chills as I was going 1478 01:03:11,850 --> 01:03:09,650 through this stuff yeah no never heard 1479 01:03:13,780 --> 01:03:11,860 of it isn't that amazing 1480 01:03:16,930 --> 01:03:13,790 I'll trade you the book and you could 1481 01:03:17,620 --> 01:03:16,940 read all about it yeah okay Wow well 1482 01:03:20,020 --> 01:03:17,630 that's great 1483 01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:20,030 now I'd like to shift gears a little bit 1484 01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:24,710 and talk about the pop culture and the 1485 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:26,270 things that were going on I mean right 1486 01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:28,490 away I noticed in the very first episode 1487 01:03:36,490 --> 01:03:33,440 of Star Trek where there's this blonde 1488 01:03:39,460 --> 01:03:36,500 lady that comes on board with his five 1489 01:03:42,010 --> 01:03:39,470 o'clock report and right away Kirk goes 1490 01:03:46,359 --> 01:03:42,020 I'm just not used to a woman being here 1491 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:46,369 and and a woman was a second officer on 1492 01:03:56,050 --> 01:03:49,930 on board and but there was a lot of 1493 01:03:58,750 --> 01:03:56,060 1960s overture that you know kind of 1494 01:04:02,349 --> 01:03:58,760 went right into that film and you talked 1495 01:04:07,570 --> 01:04:02,359 about miniskirts and and but what do you 1496 01:04:09,609 --> 01:04:07,580 think of the how that has evolved I mean 1497 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:09,619 you don't really where you are yeah I 1498 01:04:16,060 --> 01:04:12,490 think that I think that it it's 1499 01:04:19,740 --> 01:04:16,070 undeniable that Star Trek that the 1500 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:19,750 original series of Star Trek pioneered 1501 01:04:29,370 --> 01:04:24,530 new ground in a lot of areas whether it 1502 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:29,380 be scientific which is self-evident and 1503 01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:34,850 then also in terms of like like like 1504 01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:39,050 mark even mentioned like race relations 1505 01:04:49,110 --> 01:04:46,160 and gender you know male/female roles 1506 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:49,120 and things like that 1507 01:04:56,010 --> 01:04:51,930 I think I think the the original series 1508 01:04:59,070 --> 01:04:56,020 did a great deal to to move the dial 1509 01:05:04,350 --> 01:04:59,080 forward so to speak in do in in 1510 01:05:08,310 --> 01:05:04,360 presenting new ideas and breaking some 1511 01:05:10,770 --> 01:05:08,320 stereotypes and molds of the time yeah 1512 01:05:13,470 --> 01:05:10,780 and and I cover a lot of this in the 1513 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:13,480 books as well because I have to I what 1514 01:05:17,370 --> 01:05:15,130 these books do is they take you back in 1515 01:05:19,490 --> 01:05:17,380 time you're not reading about what 1516 01:05:23,010 --> 01:05:19,500 happened back there you're going back 1517 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:23,020 because when you see these memos all put 1518 01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:26,530 together cut together sections and 1519 01:05:31,230 --> 01:05:27,790 everything you feel like you're sitting 1520 01:05:32,790 --> 01:05:31,240 in a room listening to stand robertson 1521 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:32,800 from NBC and Gene Roddenberry and 1522 01:05:36,270 --> 01:05:34,450 jin-kun and Dorothy Fontana and Bob 1523 01:05:38,430 --> 01:05:36,280 justman all sitting around talking about 1524 01:05:40,860 --> 01:05:38,440 this week's episode that we're about to 1525 01:05:43,020 --> 01:05:40,870 produce and the script and everything 1526 01:05:45,300 --> 01:05:43,030 else so you're you're in the room you're 1527 01:05:47,010 --> 01:05:45,310 a fly on the wall watching the show 1528 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:47,020 being created and watching the show 1529 01:05:53,550 --> 01:05:51,730 through its lifespan and and so part of 1530 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:53,560 out of all that some of the things that 1531 01:05:57,780 --> 01:05:56,170 I can share with you just quickly is in 1532 01:06:00,720 --> 01:05:57,790 the first pilot which you had noted 1533 01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:00,730 Martin Starr Jeffrey hunter as Captain 1534 01:06:06,450 --> 01:06:03,640 Pike first of all they wanted William 1535 01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:06,460 Shatner but he was not available he was 1536 01:06:12,030 --> 01:06:10,000 the top of the list and they just knew 1537 01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:12,040 he was the guy Ron I'm very new Shatner 1538 01:06:17,790 --> 01:06:15,310 was the guy but but Bill Shatner was 1539 01:06:20,490 --> 01:06:17,800 doing for the people a TV series that he 1540 01:06:23,850 --> 01:06:20,500 had on CBS and after they did the first 1541 01:06:26,910 --> 01:06:23,860 pilot Jeffrey hunter backed out because 1542 01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:26,920 he was under contract to do five seasons 1543 01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:29,680 if the pilot sold but NBC rejected it 1544 01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:32,410 and ordered a second pilot and that was 1545 01:06:36,180 --> 01:06:34,270 a loophole for him to get out because he 1546 01:06:38,340 --> 01:06:36,190 was offered a movie role so I'm going to 1547 01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:38,350 go do that instead and right at that 1548 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:39,190 moment 1549 01:06:43,590 --> 01:06:41,650 Bill Shatner series got cancelled I'm 1550 01:06:45,450 --> 01:06:43,600 Roddenberry called Shatner and he flew 1551 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:45,460 out and he showed him the pilot and 1552 01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:47,770 Shatner said you know he's playing the 1553 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:49,810 character a little too mellow little too 1554 01:06:54,660 --> 01:06:52,930 intellectually mellow and and I think I 1555 01:06:57,090 --> 01:06:54,670 think a captain of this ship has to be a 1556 01:06:59,760 --> 01:06:57,100 really ambitious guy to get to that 1557 01:07:02,970 --> 01:06:59,770 position and he has to have that energy 1558 01:07:05,339 --> 01:07:02,980 that you would follow him into anything 1559 01:07:07,770 --> 01:07:05,349 and so shan'er brought and like Vic was 1560 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:07,780 sayin Shatner really kind of co-created 1561 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:11,290 the character Kirk but the in the first 1562 01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:13,690 pilot the second in charge of the 1563 01:07:20,819 --> 01:07:16,540 enterprise was number one who was a 1564 01:07:23,220 --> 01:07:20,829 female but NBC felt that that maybe the 1565 01:07:26,609 --> 01:07:23,230 audience won't be ready for this so they 1566 01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,619 they made Spock second in charge and we 1567 01:07:33,329 --> 01:07:28,000 think we couldn't have a woman but we 1568 01:07:35,069 --> 01:07:33,339 could have a Vulcan Marc I remember 1569 01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:35,079 something from your book that you wrote 1570 01:07:41,579 --> 01:07:39,609 mark in the book you you wrote how NBC 1571 01:07:45,569 --> 01:07:41,589 basically called Roddenberry and they 1572 01:07:47,370 --> 01:07:45,579 said you can have the pointed got air 1573 01:07:55,740 --> 01:07:47,380 guy or you can have the woman but you 1574 01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:55,750 can't have both yeah they say we'll let 1575 01:08:00,060 --> 01:07:57,609 you keep one of them but not both of 1576 01:08:01,260 --> 01:08:00,070 them and Roddenberry now and I know Mark 1577 01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:01,270 was probably going to tell you this I'm 1578 01:08:06,780 --> 01:08:03,609 sorry for stealing your thunder mark but 1579 01:08:08,910 --> 01:08:06,790 the number one the woman the woman from 1580 01:08:12,750 --> 01:08:08,920 the original pilot was Gene 1581 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:12,760 Roddenberry's wife Majel Barret and in 1582 01:08:18,180 --> 01:08:14,770 the book it explains how Roddenberry 1583 01:08:20,610 --> 01:08:18,190 felt so strongly about keeping the Spock 1584 01:08:24,420 --> 01:08:20,620 character that he had to tell his wife 1585 01:08:29,249 --> 01:08:24,430 that her character was going to be gone 1586 01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:29,259 did they stay married they actually were 1587 01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:31,210 not married at that point she became 1588 01:08:36,059 --> 01:08:34,239 genes second yeah she became his second 1589 01:08:39,570 --> 01:08:36,069 wife but she was his mistress at that 1590 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:39,580 moment yes and and he said I promise 1591 01:08:44,249 --> 01:08:41,770 I'll give you another row and he created 1592 01:08:45,959 --> 01:08:44,259 the role of nurse Chapel for her and she 1593 01:08:48,030 --> 01:08:45,969 was also the voice of the enterprise 1594 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:48,040 computer at the same time but she had 1595 01:08:51,780 --> 01:08:50,410 two roles in the series but she didn't 1596 01:08:54,170 --> 01:08:51,790 get the role that he wrote for her in 1597 01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,180 the pilot yeah NBC was worried about 1598 01:08:59,970 --> 01:08:56,799 with if the audience would be accepting 1599 01:09:02,099 --> 01:08:59,980 of of a female second in charge who if 1600 01:09:04,050 --> 01:09:02,109 when the camp happens in jeopardy she's 1601 01:09:05,970 --> 01:09:04,060 in charge of the ship it was just a 1602 01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,980 little ahead of the time there and they 1603 01:09:10,289 --> 01:09:07,600 were all so worried about Spock's 1604 01:09:12,269 --> 01:09:10,299 character he looked too satanic and they 1605 01:09:14,459 --> 01:09:12,279 didn't think the Bible Belt especially 1606 01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:14,469 would go for that character and so they 1607 01:09:17,250 --> 01:09:16,870 kind of told gene we're not going to let 1608 01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:17,260 you 1609 01:09:21,570 --> 01:09:19,500 do both of these things it's it's just 1610 01:09:23,220 --> 01:09:21,580 your challenge you're gonna challenge 1611 01:09:26,820 --> 01:09:23,230 the audience too much in two different 1612 01:09:28,770 --> 01:09:26,830 ways so you've got to pick and he said 1613 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:28,780 well I got to pick the volcán you know 1614 01:09:37,770 --> 01:09:33,730 and and I'll take my lumps at home but 1615 01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,780 but but as a miniskirt came from Grace 1616 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:39,520 Lee Whitney and Nichelle Nichols they 1617 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:41,170 were supposed to be wearing slacks and 1618 01:09:46,050 --> 01:09:43,690 they both were dancers they had great 1619 01:09:47,820 --> 01:09:46,060 legs they wanted to show the legs off so 1620 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:47,830 they said why can't we be wearing skirts 1621 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:49,930 and so they created the skirt outfit and 1622 01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:52,810 they were the ones who kept raising the 1623 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:54,910 hem saying you know it can't be a little 1624 01:09:58,860 --> 01:09:56,290 higher and be more comfortable to be 1625 01:10:01,620 --> 01:09:58,870 more practical if it was higher and so 1626 01:10:04,890 --> 01:10:01,630 that was America's first look at the the 1627 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:04,900 miniskirt but you know to give your 1628 01:10:10,620 --> 01:10:08,170 audience kind of a reference point one 1629 01:10:12,450 --> 01:10:10,630 year earlier iSpy premiered and that was 1630 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:12,460 the first show that had and I did a book 1631 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:14,050 about that show - that was the first 1632 01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,290 show about a white and a black sharing 1633 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:19,840 equal billing in a TV show and a non 1634 01:10:26,190 --> 01:10:22,410 stereotypical role for the black as well 1635 01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:26,200 and so the very next year star trek goes 1636 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:29,080 on with an interracial cast and and 1637 01:10:34,410 --> 01:10:32,170 women at controls - in the future and so 1638 01:10:36,750 --> 01:10:34,420 we can look at it now and say it's a 1639 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:36,760 little sexist or it's not you know as 1640 01:10:42,930 --> 01:10:39,010 politically correct as some people want 1641 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:42,940 everything to be now but for 1966 when 1642 01:10:47,550 --> 01:10:45,370 that show premiered it was pushing the 1643 01:10:50,340 --> 01:10:47,560 barriers in every direction that you can 1644 01:10:53,070 --> 01:10:50,350 imagine I that makes sense I can see 1645 01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:53,080 that yeah you know when you really 1646 01:10:58,440 --> 01:10:54,840 reflect on the whole thing in general 1647 01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:58,450 what were some of the other kind of 1648 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:01,360 things that came out of Star Trek that 1649 01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:05,050 you're aware of any one of you well 1650 01:11:10,230 --> 01:11:07,150 I'll toss it a few and they can tell you 1651 01:11:13,290 --> 01:11:10,240 whatever I don't mention when I forget 1652 01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:13,300 but the communicators the the obvious 1653 01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:16,450 one because the guy who invented the 1654 01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:19,360 community cellphone from Motorola based 1655 01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,800 it its design and its concept on on 1656 01:11:27,630 --> 01:11:25,440 Captain Kirk's flip open communicator 1657 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:27,640 well they all carry them on Star Trek 1658 01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:30,850 and and and Bill Gates and 1659 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:32,590 some of the other wizards who came up 1660 01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:34,570 with the Internet and the PCs and 1661 01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:35,440 everything you know they've made 1662 01:11:38,490 --> 01:11:37,120 statements in the past but you know they 1663 01:11:40,530 --> 01:11:38,500 were kids watching Star Trek and 1664 01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:40,540 thinking geez if I could only have all 1665 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:42,910 the information of the world at my 1666 01:11:48,810 --> 01:11:45,850 fingertips and why can't I have what 1667 01:11:49,890 --> 01:11:48,820 Spock has another one the minute I say 1668 01:11:51,870 --> 01:11:49,900 this is going to pop into your head 1669 01:11:54,690 --> 01:11:51,880 Martin and your audience as well is 1670 01:11:56,190 --> 01:11:54,700 bluetooth I mean picture picture the 1671 01:11:58,650 --> 01:11:56,200 bridge of the enterprise you heard about 1672 01:12:00,090 --> 01:11:58,660 that that bluetooth in her ear and spa 1673 01:12:02,190 --> 01:12:00,100 quite often has one too 1674 01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:02,200 I think crossing the bridge Mike we saw 1675 01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:04,530 you know the first time we saw cds/dvds 1676 01:12:11,070 --> 01:12:07,210 was on Star Trek the first time we saw 1677 01:12:12,570 --> 01:12:11,080 MRIs we're on Star Trek automatic 1678 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:12,580 opening doors where you didn't have to 1679 01:12:17,550 --> 01:12:14,170 step on a mat like we had to in the 1680 01:12:21,090 --> 01:12:17,560 1960s but they sensed you coming all 1681 01:12:23,340 --> 01:12:21,100 this stuff came from Star Trek it's 1682 01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:23,350 funny I think most of our technology 1683 01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:25,630 that comes from the military even the 1684 01:12:29,250 --> 01:12:27,730 frisbee came from the military if it 1685 01:12:32,010 --> 01:12:29,260 came from the military or came from Star 1686 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:32,020 Trek and and Star Trek was not copy in 1687 01:12:35,580 --> 01:12:33,130 the military they were getting these 1688 01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:35,590 ideas from guys from NASA the military 1689 01:12:42,180 --> 01:12:39,760 actually came down to Desilu in 67 when 1690 01:12:44,780 --> 01:12:42,190 Star Trek was finishing up its first 1691 01:12:47,700 --> 01:12:44,790 season and going into a second and 1692 01:12:49,620 --> 01:12:47,710 wanted to take pictures of the bridge 1693 01:12:50,970 --> 01:12:49,630 and examine the bridge and everything 1694 01:12:54,330 --> 01:12:50,980 else because they thought that would be 1695 01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:54,340 a great design for bridges on aircraft 1696 01:12:58,290 --> 01:12:56,080 carriers and things of that nature 1697 01:13:00,620 --> 01:12:58,300 yeah so they were coming to Star Trek to 1698 01:13:02,370 --> 01:13:00,630 say we want to copy what you're doing 1699 01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:02,380 isn't that amazing 1700 01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:08,310 also what did I forget also the bio beds 1701 01:13:14,490 --> 01:13:12,640 if you remember in the sickbay there was 1702 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:14,500 a there was a little sensor that it 1703 01:13:19,470 --> 01:13:16,570 stuck out of the wall above the bed and 1704 01:13:23,190 --> 01:13:19,480 whenever somebody sat down laid down on 1705 01:13:25,140 --> 01:13:23,200 the bed the the the display would light 1706 01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:25,150 up and it would give you all their 1707 01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:25,840 vitals 1708 01:13:32,610 --> 01:13:28,960 well I remember reading an article just 1709 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:32,620 maybe a year ago that that technology 1710 01:13:37,890 --> 01:13:35,290 has been developed now or is is in 1711 01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:37,900 development which is basically that same 1712 01:13:46,620 --> 01:13:42,610 kind of a same kind of a bio readout bed 1713 01:13:50,430 --> 01:13:46,630 and referencing Star Trek again the the 1714 01:13:53,070 --> 01:13:50,440 data tapes that in Star Trek were just 1715 01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:53,080 little square flat little square tapes 1716 01:14:00,780 --> 01:13:56,800 well 20 years later they were floppy 1717 01:14:02,939 --> 01:14:00,790 disks alright so yeah they were they 1718 01:14:05,609 --> 01:14:02,949 were they were way ahead of their time 1719 01:14:08,609 --> 01:14:05,619 and what about you know the warp speed 1720 01:14:11,459 --> 01:14:08,619 warp drive I mean you hear that used so 1721 01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:11,469 often today that that didn't you know 1722 01:14:17,340 --> 01:14:14,440 this is a real layman speaking here that 1723 01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:17,350 term was never used before Star Trek or 1724 01:14:23,729 --> 01:14:22,000 was it no I don't believe so they we saw 1725 01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:23,739 it in a few movies like Forbidden Planet 1726 01:14:27,629 --> 01:14:26,050 and some books but from Heinlein and 1727 01:14:30,450 --> 01:14:27,639 whatever they and they would call it a 1728 01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,460 hyperdrive and that's what they called 1729 01:14:34,350 --> 01:14:32,320 on on lost in space too which premiered 1730 01:14:38,910 --> 01:14:34,360 in 65 one year before Star Trek was 1731 01:14:40,020 --> 01:14:38,920 hyperdrive warp it's funny again in 1732 01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:40,030 these books you see a lot of these 1733 01:14:44,820 --> 01:14:42,340 mammals from the scientists and and so 1734 01:14:47,340 --> 01:14:44,830 forth I didn't use a lot of that because 1735 01:14:49,109 --> 01:14:47,350 my publisher was saying these books are 1736 01:14:52,050 --> 01:14:49,119 too big we got to crunch them down and 1737 01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:52,060 so being a dramatic writer I wanted to 1738 01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:54,130 leave in the the memos from the creative 1739 01:14:58,050 --> 01:14:55,810 staff and the fights with NBC and the 1740 01:15:00,180 --> 01:14:58,060 stuff where you got conflict because 1741 01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:00,190 conflicts the name of the game and any 1742 01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:02,350 anything you do so a lot of the 1743 01:15:08,189 --> 01:15:06,369 technical stuff came out but but I do 1744 01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:08,199 have a lot of it in the the book that 1745 01:15:12,270 --> 01:15:10,449 will be out in the spring because for 1746 01:15:15,899 --> 01:15:12,280 Star Trek the motion picture they had a 1747 01:15:17,700 --> 01:15:15,909 fella assigned to them from NASA who 1748 01:15:19,229 --> 01:15:17,710 went through all the scripts like they 1749 01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:19,239 did with the first series but he would 1750 01:15:24,810 --> 01:15:22,840 send very detailed memos and there are 1751 01:15:27,570 --> 01:15:24,820 quite a few talking about warp drive and 1752 01:15:29,820 --> 01:15:27,580 about the wormhole and and everything 1753 01:15:31,890 --> 01:15:29,830 else and so they were they were getting 1754 01:15:33,780 --> 01:15:31,900 all this from scientists and the reason 1755 01:15:35,550 --> 01:15:33,790 we didn't see that in other shows is 1756 01:15:38,370 --> 01:15:35,560 because the other shows were didn't have 1757 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:38,380 the support of NASA and JPL 1758 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:41,290 and and and and the RAND Corporation and 1759 01:15:45,090 --> 01:15:42,010 things like that 1760 01:15:47,459 --> 01:15:45,100 Roddenberry made it a just make sure 1761 01:15:49,649 --> 01:15:47,469 that all the story outlines the scripts 1762 01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:49,659 everything went to these people and they 1763 01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:51,820 could get the feedback to make Star Trek 1764 01:15:56,459 --> 01:15:54,400 as believable as possible they'd fudge 1765 01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,469 it here and there like in space 1766 01:16:00,330 --> 01:15:58,000 if when the enterprise flies by the 1767 01:16:01,740 --> 01:16:00,340 camera and you hear a whoosh well he got 1768 01:16:03,570 --> 01:16:01,750 a memo from one of them they said you 1769 01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,580 know there is no sound in space you're 1770 01:16:08,610 --> 01:16:05,440 not gonna hear whoosh and he said yeah 1771 01:16:11,580 --> 01:16:08,620 but but it's so much more dramatic so we 1772 01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:11,590 got to put that in there and but but 1773 01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:15,070 most of stuff they did the scientists 1774 01:16:18,510 --> 01:16:17,080 looked at and said no 300 years for now 1775 01:16:21,090 --> 01:16:18,520 we think that would absolutely be 1776 01:16:24,180 --> 01:16:21,100 possible you know right about the noise 1777 01:16:26,130 --> 01:16:24,190 in space it's still used no matter what 1778 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:26,140 I mean they still use it today and in 1779 01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:28,810 any type of space you know and and 1780 01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,270 always uh it always comes to mind when I 1781 01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:33,760 see that you hear the noise like oh yeah 1782 01:16:39,420 --> 01:16:36,850 you know you'd never hear that but yeah 1783 01:16:41,010 --> 01:16:39,430 but I get it romantic wise I mean watch 1784 01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:41,020 that you watch the footage without that 1785 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:42,489 whoosh sound and it just doesn't quite 1786 01:16:47,340 --> 01:16:44,290 happen that's right yeah you know what's 1787 01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:47,350 kind of interesting Martin is that so 1788 01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,290 many sci-fi TV shows and movies put 1789 01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:52,480 sound effects of spaceships and and 1790 01:16:58,860 --> 01:16:56,080 space battles in outer space so many of 1791 01:17:03,630 --> 01:16:58,870 them use sound that every once in a 1792 01:17:05,550 --> 01:17:03,640 while a a movie will come along and it 1793 01:17:08,220 --> 01:17:05,560 will not it will be it will be dead 1794 01:17:11,130 --> 01:17:08,230 silent in space and it's actually kind 1795 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:11,140 of creepy because we are so used to 1796 01:17:17,610 --> 01:17:14,650 hearing spaceships fly by and so used to 1797 01:17:20,939 --> 01:17:17,620 seeing lasers and hearing laser beams 1798 01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,949 firing in outer space that when a film 1799 01:17:24,420 --> 01:17:22,480 comes along and goes you know what we're 1800 01:17:25,410 --> 01:17:24,430 gonna go dead silent whenever we're in 1801 01:17:28,170 --> 01:17:25,420 outer space 1802 01:17:30,290 --> 01:17:28,180 you know it actually is is dramatic 1803 01:17:32,459 --> 01:17:30,300 because we're so used to the other way 1804 01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:32,469 yeah now it's dramatic 1805 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:35,199 surprising and when you were asking me 1806 01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:37,330 before about UFOs Martin and I told you 1807 01:17:41,850 --> 01:17:39,520 about that thing and yeah in Oregon over 1808 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:41,860 the field I mean that was the thing that 1809 01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:44,530 that struck in my mind even more than 1810 01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:46,330 the brightness I say that all the time 1811 01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:48,880 about my sighting I've talked about my 1812 01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:50,350 sighting many times in the show I won't 1813 01:17:55,530 --> 01:17:52,660 bore the listener but that was the most 1814 01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:55,540 dramatic thing for me as well was how 1815 01:17:59,850 --> 01:17:57,790 can this thing be moving and there's 1816 01:18:02,700 --> 01:17:59,860 absolutely no sound which is such a 1817 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:02,710 puzzle yeah yeah you mean I'm part night 1818 01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:04,690 I'd love to get the chance to talk about 1819 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:06,280 the audio book a little bit if we could 1820 01:18:13,570 --> 01:18:10,010 yeah let's go let's do it this this 1821 01:18:15,010 --> 01:18:13,580 a book is extraordinary as you know if 1822 01:18:17,530 --> 01:18:15,020 you I'm sure you've listened to audio 1823 01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:17,540 books before they're usually one guy 1824 01:18:23,020 --> 01:18:20,810 right there's usually one narrator doing 1825 01:18:25,060 --> 01:18:23,030 the whole book but when I when I was 1826 01:18:27,220 --> 01:18:25,070 getting ready to attack this monstrous 1827 01:18:29,940 --> 01:18:27,230 project in the and as Mark mentioned the 1828 01:18:32,410 --> 01:18:29,950 books are very very large very long I 1829 01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:32,420 thought well you know there are hundreds 1830 01:18:38,530 --> 01:18:34,450 of people that speak in this book 1831 01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:38,540 hundreds of people and and I didn't want 1832 01:18:43,390 --> 01:18:40,960 to have to do all the different voices 1833 01:18:45,580 --> 01:18:43,400 myself and the more I thought about it 1834 01:18:49,810 --> 01:18:45,590 the more I thought wouldn't it be really 1835 01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:49,820 much more fun to listen to if we brought 1836 01:18:56,170 --> 01:18:52,880 other people in to be the voice of gene 1837 01:18:58,840 --> 01:18:56,180 Roddenberry and the voice of Dorothy 1838 01:19:03,190 --> 01:18:58,850 Fontana and the voice of Leonard Nimoy 1839 01:19:04,990 --> 01:19:03,200 and all of the people so that that you 1840 01:19:07,690 --> 01:19:05,000 as the listener would feel like you're 1841 01:19:10,810 --> 01:19:07,700 actually sitting there listening to the 1842 01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:10,820 actual people who did it tell you in 1843 01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:13,910 their own words you know their own memos 1844 01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:16,490 and their own stories we brought in 1845 01:19:21,340 --> 01:19:18,560 people from the original series who were 1846 01:19:24,190 --> 01:19:21,350 still alive Dorothy Fontana came in and 1847 01:19:27,130 --> 01:19:24,200 recorded her own excerpts jody augusta 1848 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:27,140 the casting director came in Clint 1849 01:19:33,070 --> 01:19:30,410 Howard Bobby Clarke people that were 1850 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:33,080 part of the original series came in and 1851 01:19:38,410 --> 01:19:35,810 then if if the some of the people were 1852 01:19:41,740 --> 01:19:38,420 past like Leonard Nimoy had passed by 1853 01:19:44,530 --> 01:19:41,750 this point his son Adam came in and did 1854 01:19:47,380 --> 01:19:44,540 his dad's excerpts and Chris doing did 1855 01:19:49,630 --> 01:19:47,390 his dad excerpts and then I brought in a 1856 01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:49,640 lot of Star Trek continues production 1857 01:19:56,140 --> 01:19:52,640 crew and cast to be the voices of their 1858 01:19:57,820 --> 01:19:56,150 counterparts so like Jerry finnerman was 1859 01:19:58,150 --> 01:19:57,830 the director of photography for Star 1860 01:20:00,460 --> 01:19:58,160 Trek 1861 01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:00,470 well Jerry finnerman has passed away and 1862 01:20:04,990 --> 01:20:03,440 like nobody probably knows what Jerry 1863 01:20:07,210 --> 01:20:05,000 finnerman really sounded like anyway 1864 01:20:10,660 --> 01:20:07,220 because he wasn't a an on-camera actor 1865 01:20:13,060 --> 01:20:10,670 so I had Matt Busey our director of 1866 01:20:15,340 --> 01:20:13,070 photography for Star Trek continues be 1867 01:20:19,450 --> 01:20:15,350 the voice of the director of photography 1868 01:20:22,690 --> 01:20:19,460 for Star Trek and the way the audio book 1869 01:20:23,229 --> 01:20:22,700 is has been produced I'm the voice of 1870 01:20:27,700 --> 01:20:23,239 the Niro 1871 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:27,710 and the voice of mr. Shatner and the 1872 01:20:32,590 --> 01:20:30,530 voice of a handful of small roles but 1873 01:20:36,959 --> 01:20:32,600 every time one of the major players 1874 01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:36,969 whether it's Oscar cats or herb solo or 1875 01:20:44,890 --> 01:20:42,080 Alexander courage or Bob justman anytime 1876 01:20:47,020 --> 01:20:44,900 they speak you hear a different person 1877 01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:47,030 speaking and it makes you feel like 1878 01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:49,310 you're literally sitting in a room with 1879 01:20:53,650 --> 01:20:51,650 the creators of Star Trek and they're 1880 01:20:55,900 --> 01:20:53,660 telling you their stories in first 1881 01:21:04,300 --> 01:20:55,910 person even the people that read the 1882 01:21:06,670 --> 01:21:04,310 book absolutely even though they'd read 1883 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:06,680 the printed book they loved listening to 1884 01:21:11,140 --> 01:21:08,210 the audiobook it was like it was all new 1885 01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:11,150 again isn't that something well and that 1886 01:21:16,959 --> 01:21:13,489 sounds like an editing nightmare to me 1887 01:21:18,820 --> 01:21:16,969 oh it was it was and you know what I 1888 01:21:21,310 --> 01:21:18,830 mean I if I hear if I had done the book 1889 01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:21,320 by myself I probably could have read it 1890 01:21:27,209 --> 01:21:23,450 and finished it in a couple of months at 1891 01:21:30,700 --> 01:21:27,219 the most but having this lame-brained 1892 01:21:33,610 --> 01:21:30,710 idea to bring in all of these other 1893 01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:33,620 people like Mark told you early on 88 1894 01:21:37,690 --> 01:21:34,880 zero 1895 01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:37,700 Martin eighty different people are in 1896 01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,120 this book for me when I had that idea I 1897 01:21:48,100 --> 01:21:43,760 effectively quadrupled my workload oh 1898 01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:48,110 absolutely and it's here to uh to put it 1899 01:21:52,660 --> 01:21:51,050 on yeah a year I wonder if anyone's ever 1900 01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:52,670 put that kind of time in an audiobook 1901 01:22:00,040 --> 01:21:57,170 before I don't nobody record as with 1902 01:22:03,220 --> 01:22:00,050 Star Trek as with Star Trek continues it 1903 01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:03,230 went way beyond money because you know 1904 01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:06,170 for me it wasn't about you know how much 1905 01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:08,840 money am I being paid for this it was 1906 01:22:13,180 --> 01:22:11,270 about this is Star Trek this is the 1907 01:22:15,820 --> 01:22:13,190 thing that I loved since I was a little 1908 01:22:19,660 --> 01:22:15,830 boy this is the thing that I created a 1909 01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:19,670 web series for what a privilege to to be 1910 01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:22,850 a part of of that of that series like 1911 01:22:28,330 --> 01:22:25,370 this so I I spent the time and the 1912 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:28,340 effort willingly because of my love for 1913 01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:31,130 the series Wow and and I and we finally 1914 01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:38,069 getting back on I said Vic you know you 1915 01:22:41,459 --> 01:22:39,760 Vic you're always flying somewhere 1916 01:22:44,129 --> 01:22:41,469 here's a great book to take on the plane 1917 01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:44,139 but when Vic is on a plane he's editing 1918 01:22:48,810 --> 01:22:47,230 he's good stuffing it on his laptop so 1919 01:22:51,180 --> 01:22:48,820 he doesn't have time to see how to read 1920 01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:51,190 a 500 page book which is yes I said what 1921 01:22:54,779 --> 01:22:53,110 he said mark I'll read the I'll listen 1922 01:22:58,890 --> 01:22:54,789 to the audiobook and he said there is no 1923 01:23:02,759 --> 01:22:58,900 audiobook No 1924 01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:02,769 Wow I I do have a question for you Vic 1925 01:23:08,939 --> 01:23:05,440 when you were creating this web series 1926 01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:08,949 and had to have all this money involved 1927 01:23:16,649 --> 01:23:12,880 are you are you allowed to make money to 1928 01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,659 pay expenses and not to earn money on 1929 01:23:22,979 --> 01:23:18,880 something like that the money that you 1930 01:23:27,180 --> 01:23:22,989 raise can go for the hard expenses for 1931 01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:27,190 instance when we made the first episode 1932 01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:30,239 pilgrim of eternity I paid for the 1933 01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:34,210 airfares I paid to fly everybody to the 1934 01:23:39,540 --> 01:23:36,940 studio and then you got to put them in 1935 01:23:42,029 --> 01:23:39,550 hotels right and so so he's got to pay 1936 01:23:43,770 --> 01:23:42,039 for them that the hotel people they may 1937 01:23:45,660 --> 01:23:43,780 even be star trek fans but they're still 1938 01:23:47,879 --> 01:23:45,670 gonna charge you for the rooms yeah and 1939 01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:47,889 if you and everyone has to eat everyday 1940 01:23:55,890 --> 01:23:50,650 so there are in there and then you have 1941 01:23:59,370 --> 01:23:55,900 doli doli rentals and camera tripods and 1942 01:24:02,279 --> 01:23:59,380 hard drives and makeup supplies and 1943 01:24:04,850 --> 01:24:02,289 there are hard costs associated with 1944 01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:04,860 putting something like this together so 1945 01:24:10,529 --> 01:24:08,050 you're allowed to pay those but a a 1946 01:24:14,910 --> 01:24:10,539 single or a singular person like an 1947 01:24:18,990 --> 01:24:14,920 actor or or a or a makeup person or a 1948 01:24:21,779 --> 01:24:19,000 wardrobe person is not is not allowed to 1949 01:24:23,819 --> 01:24:21,789 make a profit off of something like this 1950 01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:23,829 and that is the real beauty of it if you 1951 01:24:28,290 --> 01:24:26,050 think about it I have to tell you thank 1952 01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:28,300 God he got professionals people 1953 01:24:32,970 --> 01:24:30,489 Hollywood professionals to work on this 1954 01:24:35,339 --> 01:24:32,980 show who were Star Trek fans like Doug 1955 01:24:37,529 --> 01:24:35,349 Drexler who's done the special effects 1956 01:24:39,899 --> 01:24:37,539 for next generation a couple of others 1957 01:24:42,029 --> 01:24:39,909 series a lot of the movies he would do 1958 01:24:44,220 --> 01:24:42,039 enterprise you know shots and things of 1959 01:24:46,290 --> 01:24:44,230 that nature he came and did all the 1960 01:24:47,550 --> 01:24:46,300 shots for the enterprise on Star Trek 1961 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:47,560 continues which is 1962 01:24:52,710 --> 01:24:49,930 looks so damn good and you know what you 1963 01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:52,720 know what Martin I when I was I was 1964 01:24:57,810 --> 01:24:55,120 living in LA for a while and when I 1965 01:25:00,750 --> 01:24:57,820 would tell people at studios there what 1966 01:25:02,610 --> 01:25:00,760 I was doing the first question out of 1967 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:02,620 their mouths was always well how are you 1968 01:25:09,180 --> 01:25:05,530 making money yeah and I would look at 1969 01:25:11,850 --> 01:25:09,190 them like seriously it is really what 1970 01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:11,860 your world revolves around does it does 1971 01:25:16,740 --> 01:25:14,280 it is it such a foreign concept to you 1972 01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:16,750 that somebody would do something out of 1973 01:25:21,630 --> 01:25:19,930 pure love and passion you know there are 1974 01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:21,640 some things that are greater than money 1975 01:25:28,140 --> 01:25:25,090 and at some things that money can't buy 1976 01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,150 and one of the most beautiful things 1977 01:25:33,060 --> 01:25:30,400 about Star Trek continues and all these 1978 01:25:36,060 --> 01:25:33,070 fan productions is that people made them 1979 01:25:38,370 --> 01:25:36,070 out of pure passion and love for the 1980 01:25:40,380 --> 01:25:38,380 series not because they were gonna make 1981 01:25:42,540 --> 01:25:40,390 a million bucks or they were gonna be 1982 01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:42,550 famous or they were gonna Bank a big 1983 01:25:49,260 --> 01:25:45,460 paycheck but because they really loved 1984 01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:49,270 the material and like Mark said we had 1985 01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:52,450 professionals working on our series and 1986 01:25:58,710 --> 01:25:55,360 none of them were paid anything because 1987 01:26:00,720 --> 01:25:58,720 they did it because they loved Star Trek 1988 01:26:02,670 --> 01:26:00,730 and they wanted to be a part of it and 1989 01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:02,680 that was extraordinary that's incredibly 1990 01:26:07,470 --> 01:26:05,590 rare that is I can't think of any other 1991 01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:07,480 situation where that would happen right 1992 01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:11,410 off the bat not usually no yeah well it 1993 01:26:15,260 --> 01:26:12,730 was like when Vic asked me to do a 1994 01:26:18,350 --> 01:26:15,270 script for the show you know it's it's 1995 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:18,360 it wasn't it was not a paying job but 1996 01:26:23,220 --> 01:26:20,890 but I had lots of other paying jobs and 1997 01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:23,230 I've written hundreds and hundreds of 1998 01:26:27,810 --> 01:26:25,660 scripts in my life in my career so you 1999 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:27,820 know I did a couple script assignments 2000 01:26:32,460 --> 01:26:29,770 and then I blocked off two weeks instead 2001 01:26:36,030 --> 01:26:32,470 of taking a vacation I wrote divided we 2002 01:26:37,410 --> 01:26:36,040 stand and and I had more fun writing 2003 01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:37,420 that script because I always wanted to 2004 01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:38,770 write a script for the original series 2005 01:26:42,420 --> 01:26:41,110 everybody at next generation wanted to 2006 01:26:43,890 --> 01:26:42,430 write scripts for the original series 2007 01:26:46,710 --> 01:26:43,900 everybody there was a fan of the 2008 01:26:48,750 --> 01:26:46,720 original series it was difficult because 2009 01:26:50,670 --> 01:26:48,760 by this point in his life Gene 2010 01:26:53,460 --> 01:26:50,680 Roddenberry decided that if we are going 2011 01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:53,470 to survive a hundred years beyond the 2012 01:26:57,900 --> 01:26:55,810 original Star Trek man has to get rid of 2013 01:26:59,880 --> 01:26:57,910 his petty differences and so there 2014 01:27:01,050 --> 01:26:59,890 wasn't very much conflict between the 2015 01:27:04,260 --> 01:27:01,060 characters 2016 01:27:05,940 --> 01:27:04,270 and the other Star Trek shows and so all 2017 01:27:07,620 --> 01:27:05,950 the writers down there would think man 2018 01:27:10,380 --> 01:27:07,630 we wish we could be writing for Kirk 2019 01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:10,390 Spock McCoy and have conflict you know 2020 01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:12,250 and teasing each other and doing things 2021 01:27:18,570 --> 01:27:15,760 like that so when I got to write divided 2022 01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:18,580 we stand it was better than taking a 2023 01:27:24,540 --> 01:27:21,280 vacation for me and by the Artin that is 2024 01:27:26,430 --> 01:27:24,550 the fifth episode so you'll be coming up 2025 01:27:29,010 --> 01:27:26,440 on that pretty soon and you remember 2026 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:29,020 that that mark wrote that story but you 2027 01:27:35,460 --> 01:27:31,890 know with no conflict there's no story 2028 01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:35,470 in any book you read any movie you watch 2029 01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:38,650 any television show if you have no 2030 01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:39,490 conflict 2031 01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:42,010 you have no story so think about it if 2032 01:27:48,090 --> 01:27:45,520 if 300 or 400 years from now everything 2033 01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:48,100 is just hunky-dory and everybody just 2034 01:27:52,590 --> 01:27:50,890 all gets along there's what are you 2035 01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:52,600 write about there so there has to be 2036 01:27:58,440 --> 01:27:54,880 conflict in order for there to be a 2037 01:28:00,960 --> 01:27:58,450 story well yeah that was a very 2038 01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:00,970 interesting point that mark made I'm you 2039 01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:03,970 know I do that with the books too as I 2040 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:06,400 mentioned earlier I I didn't have a 2041 01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:08,410 heavy on the scientific memos I 2042 01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:10,450 sprinkled them in so you can see that he 2043 01:28:14,190 --> 01:28:12,670 had that support and NASA was really 2044 01:28:16,380 --> 01:28:14,200 into it it was a great picture in the 2045 01:28:18,060 --> 01:28:16,390 book - of all the people in NASA at 2046 01:28:20,010 --> 01:28:18,070 their control stations for one of the 2047 01:28:23,250 --> 01:28:20,020 Apollo flights and they're all wearing 2048 01:28:25,860 --> 01:28:23,260 Spock ears every one of them they were 2049 01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:25,870 fans but I knew my screenwriting 2050 01:28:30,110 --> 01:28:27,730 instincts would I brought into these 2051 01:28:32,610 --> 01:28:30,120 books was this is a very dramatic story 2052 01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:32,620 how it got on the air how it stayed on 2053 01:28:36,060 --> 01:28:34,090 the air the fights with the network 2054 01:28:37,500 --> 01:28:36,070 everything else and the fights with 2055 01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:37,510 production how are we going to take this 2056 01:28:43,050 --> 01:28:39,760 script and turn it into reality how can 2057 01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:43,060 we afford to do this and unfortunately 2058 01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:44,890 they wrote such colorful memos Bob 2059 01:28:49,260 --> 01:28:46,930 justman in particular and he had been a 2060 01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:49,270 stand-up comic his memos were so funny 2061 01:28:52,530 --> 01:28:51,040 when they were trying to do the episode 2062 01:28:56,460 --> 01:28:52,540 of the doomsday machine which they did 2063 01:28:58,140 --> 01:28:56,470 do he didn't want to do that one and he 2064 01:29:00,090 --> 01:28:58,150 wrote memos to Gene [\h__\h] and Gene 2065 01:29:01,890 --> 01:29:00,100 Roddenberry saying if you don't cut this 2066 01:29:04,020 --> 01:29:01,900 assignment off I'm gonna start sending 2067 01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:04,030 you my psychiatrist bills and things 2068 01:29:08,670 --> 01:29:06,310 like the house because he had to take 2069 01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:08,680 this script and find a way to realize it 2070 01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:12,880 and and so the conflict with those 2071 01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,970 characters in that show and the type of 2072 01:29:19,460 --> 01:29:16,560 is they were writing and the conflict 2073 01:29:21,860 --> 01:29:19,470 behind the scenes makes this an engaging 2074 01:29:23,330 --> 01:29:21,870 read some people because the size of the 2075 01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:23,340 books will refer to them as reference 2076 01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:24,930 books which always offends me because 2077 01:29:29,690 --> 01:29:27,210 they're not they're very a dramatic read 2078 01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:29,700 and so much so that when they came when 2079 01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:31,410 they were published I see them one of 2080 01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:33,170 the bigger agencies in Hollywood 2081 01:29:37,310 --> 01:29:35,250 contacted me to see if the screen rights 2082 01:29:39,380 --> 01:29:37,320 were available because it said this this 2083 01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:39,390 would make a good series a series about 2084 01:29:44,660 --> 01:29:41,850 the making of a series with all the 2085 01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:44,670 drama that's in there alright 2086 01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:48,480 unfortunately CBS's permission well I 2087 01:29:54,440 --> 01:29:51,840 would like to be able to take calls now 2088 01:29:56,570 --> 01:29:54,450 if that's that's possible right I do not 2089 01:29:57,980 --> 01:29:56,580 have a call screener we're not live on 2090 01:30:00,380 --> 01:29:57,990 the radio so I don't have a call 2091 01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:00,390 screener so they'll be coming in live so 2092 01:30:06,290 --> 01:30:02,130 that number is up on the screen on 2093 01:30:07,850 --> 01:30:06,300 YouTube 603 nine six seven 403 oh now 2094 01:30:10,220 --> 01:30:07,860 I'm gonna ask you the dreaded question 2095 01:30:11,780 --> 01:30:10,230 you don't want to be asked and I don't 2096 01:30:14,780 --> 01:30:11,790 want to hear they're all like my babies 2097 01:30:17,180 --> 01:30:14,790 to me but anyway I'm gonna ask you what 2098 01:30:19,550 --> 01:30:17,190 was your favorite episode of the first 2099 01:30:22,490 --> 01:30:19,560 original series I'm gonna start out when 2100 01:30:24,530 --> 01:30:22,500 I was a kid I love things like guinea 2101 01:30:29,270 --> 01:30:24,540 pigs and hamsters and stuff like that so 2102 01:30:32,660 --> 01:30:29,280 I loved the trouble with tribbles I just 2103 01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:32,670 remember as a kid you know I loved that 2104 01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:34,320 one but there was so many more that 2105 01:30:38,090 --> 01:30:35,520 we're really interesting like the 2106 01:30:40,460 --> 01:30:38,100 time-travel one when they go back when 2107 01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:40,470 Joan Collins is in it and all that huh 2108 01:30:45,130 --> 01:30:43,440 but I'm gonna ask you did I say 2109 01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:45,140 something about trouble with tribbles 2110 01:30:50,300 --> 01:30:48,480 Martin yeah David Gerald David Gerald 2111 01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:50,310 when I interviewed him for the book you 2112 01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:53,040 know he told me that every episode of 2113 01:30:56,990 --> 01:30:55,290 Star Trek had a strong theme and the 2114 01:31:00,650 --> 01:30:57,000 theme of that episode is overpopulation 2115 01:31:02,990 --> 01:31:00,660 and he had had pet hamsters and pet rats 2116 01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:03,000 and stuff what he was a kid but you got 2117 01:31:05,630 --> 01:31:04,320 to be careful not to put a male and a 2118 01:31:07,940 --> 01:31:05,640 female in the same cage or you're gonna 2119 01:31:09,770 --> 01:31:07,950 have a lot of little rats and so that 2120 01:31:11,810 --> 01:31:09,780 got him the idea of what would happen if 2121 01:31:15,470 --> 01:31:11,820 these cute little critters that are 2122 01:31:17,420 --> 01:31:15,480 harmless or seemed harmless start 2123 01:31:19,460 --> 01:31:17,430 breeding on the enterprise and then it's 2124 01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:19,470 not harmless anymore they're eating up 2125 01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:21,090 your food reserves they're they're just 2126 01:31:24,830 --> 01:31:22,320 causing they're getting into the 2127 01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:24,840 machinery and so even the most benign 2128 01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:27,570 creature can be a problem if you if you 2129 01:31:30,380 --> 01:31:28,560 don't control popular 2130 01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:30,390 growth and that's somewhere you can 2131 01:31:35,390 --> 01:31:33,570 handle it yes yes all so BIC BIC why 2132 01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:35,400 don't you tell him your face well before 2133 01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:36,960 we get into that we do have a caller and 2134 01:31:41,630 --> 01:31:38,370 I'm sorry again I don't have a sculptor 2135 01:31:42,980 --> 01:31:41,640 so I have no way to to you know put 2136 01:31:45,140 --> 01:31:42,990 these on hold for a long time caller 2137 01:31:48,190 --> 01:31:45,150 you're on the line what's your name 2138 01:31:51,530 --> 01:31:48,200 where you calling from your first name 2139 01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:51,540 caller you still there I think they may 2140 01:31:59,360 --> 01:31:54,530 have dropped off so if they call back in 2141 01:32:00,920 --> 01:31:59,370 yep it shows that they're some type of 2142 01:32:02,330 --> 01:32:00,930 noise here at hung up or something 2143 01:32:05,060 --> 01:32:02,340 they're trying again so let's give this 2144 01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:05,070 another try sure welcome to the show 2145 01:32:11,540 --> 01:32:06,930 caller your first name and where you 2146 01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:11,550 calling from it did this last week to a 2147 01:32:17,570 --> 01:32:15,450 New York number wouldn't take the call I 2148 01:32:20,450 --> 01:32:17,580 was having trouble with Skype or should 2149 01:32:23,570 --> 01:32:20,460 he use zoom and it may be just an issue 2150 01:32:25,670 --> 01:32:23,580 it did this last week because I wasn't 2151 01:32:29,390 --> 01:32:25,680 on the radio show as well so why don't 2152 01:32:32,030 --> 01:32:29,400 we go ahead into Vic what's your who's 2153 01:32:34,430 --> 01:32:32,040 your favorite child my favorite my 2154 01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:34,440 favorite episode was a very obscure 2155 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:37,770 episode in the third season called 2156 01:32:44,570 --> 01:32:41,610 requiem for Methuselah it was a it was 2157 01:32:46,190 --> 01:32:44,580 about this the enterprise was there was 2158 01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:46,200 an epidemic on the enterprise and they 2159 01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:50,370 needed this this substance to make a an 2160 01:32:54,410 --> 01:32:52,560 antidote for it and they go to this 2161 01:32:59,180 --> 01:32:54,420 planet and there's this older gentleman 2162 01:33:00,830 --> 01:32:59,190 living alone on the planet and they beam 2163 01:33:02,930 --> 01:33:00,840 down and they meet this man and then 2164 01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:02,940 they find out that he has this daughter 2165 01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:05,730 and Kirk of course falls in love with 2166 01:33:11,810 --> 01:33:09,360 the daughter and and then you find out 2167 01:33:15,530 --> 01:33:11,820 over the course of time that this older 2168 01:33:19,010 --> 01:33:15,540 man is in fact all of these famous men 2169 01:33:23,770 --> 01:33:19,020 throughout history he's immortal and he 2170 01:33:27,650 --> 01:33:23,780 was he was Moses and Socrates and 2171 01:33:32,510 --> 01:33:27,660 davinci and Brahms and throughout 2172 01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:32,520 history and what what I loved the most 2173 01:33:38,900 --> 01:33:36,090 about that episode was that at the very 2174 01:33:41,480 --> 01:33:38,910 end of the episode you see Captain Kirk 2175 01:33:41,959 --> 01:33:41,490 as you've never seen him in the whole 2176 01:33:45,109 --> 01:33:41,969 rest of 2177 01:33:49,209 --> 01:33:45,119 series and that was ashamed of his 2178 01:33:53,029 --> 01:33:49,219 behavior you see Captain Kirk literally 2179 01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:53,039 embarrassed about the way he behaved and 2180 01:33:58,509 --> 01:33:56,130 thought yeah as as a little kid I 2181 01:34:02,810 --> 01:33:58,519 remember thinking oh my gosh 2182 01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:02,820 he's a normal flawed flesh-and-blood 2183 01:34:09,020 --> 01:34:06,210 human just like we are he's not the 2184 01:34:11,629 --> 01:34:09,030 perfect hero who always does the right 2185 01:34:14,810 --> 01:34:11,639 thing and always has the answer he 2186 01:34:18,279 --> 01:34:14,820 screwed up and he knows it and he and he 2187 01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:18,289 really regrets it and and that that 2188 01:34:25,069 --> 01:34:21,570 really impacted me so much so Martin 2189 01:34:27,129 --> 01:34:25,079 that our fourth episode which you're 2190 01:34:30,500 --> 01:34:27,139 going to be watching soon I hope 2191 01:34:34,969 --> 01:34:30,510 discusses that very very same thing it 2192 01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:34,979 shows a side of Kirk that that has a lot 2193 01:34:48,109 --> 01:34:44,130 of regrets and shame and unfinished 2194 01:34:51,049 --> 01:34:48,119 business with people from his past 2195 01:34:54,500 --> 01:34:51,059 and and it was the impetus for episode 4 2196 01:34:56,719 --> 01:34:54,510 was that final scene in requiem for 2197 01:34:58,640 --> 01:34:56,729 Methuselah for me that's that's my 2198 01:35:00,950 --> 01:34:58,650 favorite episode and that's why well 2199 01:35:04,100 --> 01:35:00,960 before we get into yours thank you for 2200 01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:04,110 that that's really I don't recall that 2201 01:35:09,709 --> 01:35:06,449 in particular it sounds familiar but I 2202 01:35:13,879 --> 01:35:09,719 just don't recall that but for someone 2203 01:35:16,580 --> 01:35:13,889 that kind of displays a huge ego as Kirk 2204 01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:16,590 seems to that that I can understand why 2205 01:35:19,969 --> 01:35:18,570 that would make an impact we are having 2206 01:35:21,799 --> 01:35:19,979 an issue with Skype we had several 2207 01:35:23,870 --> 01:35:21,809 people trying to call in and it would 2208 01:35:25,580 --> 01:35:23,880 not join any of them so we're gonna skip 2209 01:35:28,939 --> 01:35:25,590 the phone calls tonight I'm sorry to say 2210 01:35:30,410 --> 01:35:28,949 I do appreciate those people who have 2211 01:35:33,890 --> 01:35:30,420 tried to call in I really do appreciate 2212 01:35:35,719 --> 01:35:33,900 your trying we'll be back to our radio 2213 01:35:40,819 --> 01:35:35,729 station with this call screener next 2214 01:35:43,939 --> 01:35:40,829 week so go ahead mark my favorite and 2215 01:35:46,850 --> 01:35:43,949 there's so many I'm journey to bebo is a 2216 01:35:50,029 --> 01:35:46,860 great episode doomsday machine shore 2217 01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:50,039 leave for real fans of the show they 2218 01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:53,010 know the titles but my favorite is this 2219 01:35:55,629 --> 01:35:54,960 side of paradise which Dorothy Fontana 2220 01:35:59,680 --> 01:35:55,639 row 2221 01:36:04,209 --> 01:35:59,690 and in that episode they beam down to a 2222 01:36:05,979 --> 01:36:04,219 planet they came to rescue if anybody's 2223 01:36:07,450 --> 01:36:05,989 alive these settlers but they're not 2224 01:36:08,530 --> 01:36:07,460 expecting anybody to be alive because 2225 01:36:10,180 --> 01:36:08,540 they found out there's a certain 2226 01:36:11,649 --> 01:36:10,190 radiation that's been hitting the planet 2227 01:36:13,390 --> 01:36:11,659 and they're surprised to find that 2228 01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:13,400 people are still there and healthy and 2229 01:36:18,970 --> 01:36:16,250 happy but the reason they are is because 2230 01:36:21,100 --> 01:36:18,980 there's these spores that have taken 2231 01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:21,110 over their bodies not taking over their 2232 01:36:23,919 --> 01:36:22,850 minds but taking over their bodies so 2233 01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:23,929 that they are protected from the 2234 01:36:26,979 --> 01:36:26,210 radiation and it gives the spores a body 2235 01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:26,989 to live in 2236 01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:30,650 well when the spores hit you your your 2237 01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:33,170 anxiety goes away your troubles go away 2238 01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:34,690 and you become and it was kind of like a 2239 01:36:41,919 --> 01:36:38,570 commentary on drugs from that era and 2240 01:36:45,399 --> 01:36:41,929 and Spock gets shot by the spores and he 2241 01:36:47,770 --> 01:36:45,409 falls in love with Joe Allen and and the 2242 01:36:50,770 --> 01:36:47,780 entire crew abandons the ship and Kirk 2243 01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:50,780 is left all alone on the ship he's been 2244 01:36:53,740 --> 01:36:52,400 shot by the spores too but he doesn't 2245 01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:53,750 give in to them because he's such a 2246 01:36:59,229 --> 01:36:56,810 driven man he isn't perfect he's 2247 01:37:01,990 --> 01:36:59,239 swaggering commanding driven ambitious 2248 01:37:04,930 --> 01:37:02,000 and every way possible and so he fights 2249 01:37:08,140 --> 01:37:04,940 off the spores and they can't get an 2250 01:37:10,090 --> 01:37:08,150 edge on him but he's got to get his crew 2251 01:37:12,100 --> 01:37:10,100 back and the person he needs the most is 2252 01:37:13,959 --> 01:37:12,110 Spock and he's the only one left on the 2253 01:37:16,540 --> 01:37:13,969 ship who can beam Spock back so he 2254 01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:16,550 figures he's got to find a way to get 2255 01:37:22,450 --> 01:37:20,210 Spock angry so that he can get rid of 2256 01:37:25,149 --> 01:37:22,460 the spores through the anger which is 2257 01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:25,159 the thing that kept Kirk from from being 2258 01:37:31,149 --> 01:37:29,210 subjected to them and and so he does it 2259 01:37:32,530 --> 01:37:31,159 and there's a fight in transporter room 2260 01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:32,540 and everything else but at the end of 2261 01:37:37,540 --> 01:37:34,400 the episode it's so poignant because 2262 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:37,550 Spock looks sad and and Kirk looks at 2263 01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:39,050 him and says you know are you okay and 2264 01:37:45,459 --> 01:37:40,730 he says captain for the first time of my 2265 01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:45,469 life I was happy Wow oh jeez I mean I 2266 01:37:49,330 --> 01:37:47,330 just got a little crack on my voice when 2267 01:37:52,959 --> 01:37:49,340 I tried to say the line because it's so 2268 01:37:54,370 --> 01:37:52,969 emotional it's a great Kirk story losing 2269 01:37:56,290 --> 01:37:54,380 his entire crew and he says I never 2270 01:37:57,939 --> 01:37:56,300 realized how big this ship was he's 2271 01:38:00,399 --> 01:37:57,949 recording too Captain's Log and he's all 2272 01:38:03,340 --> 01:38:00,409 alone on his ship it's a great story for 2273 01:38:04,780 --> 01:38:03,350 Spock because he falls in love and for 2274 01:38:08,260 --> 01:38:04,790 the first time in his life he was happy 2275 01:38:08,879 --> 01:38:08,270 and he lost it and and so forth it's the 2276 01:38:11,939 --> 01:38:08,889 type 2277 01:38:13,739 --> 01:38:11,949 stories they told on that show that that 2278 01:38:15,689 --> 01:38:13,749 I've never seen on any other TV show 2279 01:38:17,429 --> 01:38:15,699 science fiction or anything else and 2280 01:38:19,979 --> 01:38:17,439 that's what hooked me on this this 2281 01:38:23,609 --> 01:38:19,989 series I do remember that I do remember 2282 01:38:26,129 --> 01:38:23,619 that particular one how do you think the 2283 01:38:29,609 --> 01:38:26,139 show itself when it was in production 2284 01:38:32,279 --> 01:38:29,619 and you know became semi popular a 2285 01:38:34,949 --> 01:38:32,289 popular you were saying that it was 2286 01:38:38,639 --> 01:38:34,959 actually popular during the you know 2287 01:38:41,219 --> 01:38:38,649 when it was being the first out the 2288 01:38:45,389 --> 01:38:41,229 first one but how did it affect the 2289 01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:45,399 people's lives the actors lives as far 2290 01:38:50,459 --> 01:38:47,199 as everyday life did that did you ever 2291 01:38:53,250 --> 01:38:50,469 find anything immensely you oh sure sure 2292 01:38:55,139 --> 01:38:53,260 because I interviewed them and but also 2293 01:38:57,419 --> 01:38:55,149 I have the memos and even they were 2294 01:39:00,479 --> 01:38:57,429 writing memos Nimoy would write a lot of 2295 01:39:01,589 --> 01:39:00,489 letters to to Roddenberry about episodes 2296 01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:01,599 they were getting ready to film and 2297 01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:05,199 things of that nature and but you know 2298 01:39:10,679 --> 01:39:07,449 it had an audience of between 15 and 20 2299 01:39:12,810 --> 01:39:10,689 million people a week on NBC amazing the 2300 01:39:15,719 --> 01:39:12,820 first episode that aired on the network 2301 01:39:18,689 --> 01:39:15,729 had a rating of audience share of forty 2302 01:39:20,459 --> 01:39:18,699 seven point five percent forty seven 2303 01:39:22,109 --> 01:39:20,469 point five percent of the TVs in America 2304 01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:22,119 were watching Star Trek that night does 2305 01:39:27,359 --> 01:39:24,880 that sound like a failure you know they 2306 01:39:28,770 --> 01:39:27,369 did all do that well but but but quite 2307 01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:28,780 often as I said it be winning his time 2308 01:39:32,129 --> 01:39:30,249 slot so they had like 20 million people 2309 01:39:34,169 --> 01:39:32,139 a week watching that thing it became 2310 01:39:35,580 --> 01:39:34,179 even more popular in the 70s running 2311 01:39:38,549 --> 01:39:35,590 five nights a week in every city across 2312 01:39:40,469 --> 01:39:38,559 America where it was beating Network 2313 01:39:42,899 --> 01:39:40,479 shows and so forth and also in the new 2314 01:39:44,699 --> 01:39:42,909 book you read about NBC trying to get it 2315 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:44,709 back two years after they cancelled it 2316 01:39:48,419 --> 01:39:46,570 and paramount will give it back to them 2317 01:39:50,370 --> 01:39:48,429 because they've destroyed all the sets 2318 01:39:52,889 --> 01:39:50,380 they've given the enterprise to the 2319 01:39:55,020 --> 01:39:52,899 Smithsonian Institute the 12-foot model 2320 01:39:56,719 --> 01:39:55,030 and they're thinking you know if you 2321 01:39:58,620 --> 01:39:56,729 don't give us a two-year commitment 2322 01:40:00,899 --> 01:39:58,630 we're not going to rebuild all this 2323 01:40:03,449 --> 01:40:00,909 stuff and that was what was keeping it 2324 01:40:07,020 --> 01:40:03,459 off TV in the 1970s which what none of 2325 01:40:09,899 --> 01:40:07,030 us knew about but Nimoy was the most 2326 01:40:12,540 --> 01:40:09,909 affected because he had and everybody 2327 01:40:14,399 --> 01:40:12,550 told me this and Vic you got a story you 2328 01:40:15,989 --> 01:40:14,409 got to tell I'll be done in a second and 2329 01:40:19,979 --> 01:40:15,999 I'll throw it over to you if we have 2330 01:40:21,810 --> 01:40:19,989 time but but Nimoy had to play this 2331 01:40:22,830 --> 01:40:21,820 character who was was blocking his 2332 01:40:25,950 --> 01:40:22,840 emotions 2333 01:40:27,419 --> 01:40:25,960 and every actor I interviewed all the 2334 01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:27,429 guest stars everybody would come through 2335 01:40:31,649 --> 01:40:29,920 the show we say the same thing that he 2336 01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:31,659 would be so friendly and everything but 2337 01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:33,250 in makeup the minute they started 2338 01:40:38,549 --> 01:40:35,679 putting the makeup on he just became 2339 01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:38,559 Spock and you could not get him to smile 2340 01:40:42,629 --> 01:40:40,960 or laugh they were always trying and 2341 01:40:43,740 --> 01:40:42,639 there are a few pictures in my books and 2342 01:40:45,779 --> 01:40:43,750 a few that you might find on the 2343 01:40:47,310 --> 01:40:45,789 internet where you see Spock with a big 2344 01:40:49,979 --> 01:40:47,320 grin on his face because Shatner in 2345 01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:49,989 particular was always trying to get me 2346 01:40:55,470 --> 01:40:52,239 to laugh always trying to crack him up 2347 01:40:58,290 --> 01:40:55,480 but he became that character and after 2348 01:41:00,000 --> 01:40:58,300 the show was over the first series he 2349 01:41:01,740 --> 01:41:00,010 wrote a book called I am NOT Spock which 2350 01:41:04,589 --> 01:41:01,750 is not a put-down let me show it all 2351 01:41:07,020 --> 01:41:04,599 like the thing I don't you think he's 2352 01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:07,030 talking about what he learned from that 2353 01:41:11,490 --> 01:41:09,130 character and for the rest of his life 2354 01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:11,500 and he told me this as well for the rest 2355 01:41:14,430 --> 01:41:13,360 of his life he would have conversations 2356 01:41:15,839 --> 01:41:14,440 with himself 2357 01:41:18,089 --> 01:41:15,849 if he was ever wondering what should I 2358 01:41:19,950 --> 01:41:18,099 do he would it without speaking in his 2359 01:41:22,290 --> 01:41:19,960 mind he would say Spock what do you 2360 01:41:24,089 --> 01:41:22,300 think I should do here Spock would say 2361 01:41:27,660 --> 01:41:24,099 well Leonard Leonard I think you should 2362 01:41:30,569 --> 01:41:27,670 do this so it became another side of his 2363 01:41:32,549 --> 01:41:30,579 personality which he kept into him for 2364 01:41:35,279 --> 01:41:32,559 the rest of his life and utilized for 2365 01:41:38,100 --> 01:41:35,289 the rest of his life but Vic you got to 2366 01:41:39,839 --> 01:41:38,110 tell the story about you know you hear 2367 01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:39,849 George Takei always taking shots at 2368 01:41:44,729 --> 01:41:42,730 Shatner and stuff like that and after 2369 01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:44,739 Vick did the audio book and so which got 2370 01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:46,690 him to read the book and he saw all 2371 01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:48,159 these interviews I did with all these 2372 01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:49,690 guest actors and ever and even the 2373 01:41:54,359 --> 01:41:52,000 regular cast and even Takei back then 2374 01:41:56,609 --> 01:41:54,369 what he had to say and so forth Thicke 2375 01:42:01,919 --> 01:41:56,619 share that story with what you told 2376 01:42:05,399 --> 01:42:01,929 William Shatner yeah I as I was reading 2377 01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:05,409 the book I was really struck by how just 2378 01:42:12,689 --> 01:42:09,610 everybody Martin everybody in the book 2379 01:42:15,390 --> 01:42:12,699 talked about how extraordinary Shatner 2380 01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:15,400 was they talked about what a great actor 2381 01:42:20,069 --> 01:42:17,050 that he was they talked about how 2382 01:42:22,979 --> 01:42:20,079 affable he was that when they were on 2383 01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:22,989 set he was just he was so full of energy 2384 01:42:27,450 --> 01:42:25,119 and he would crack people up and making 2385 01:42:29,279 --> 01:42:27,460 jokes and make you feel so at home and 2386 01:42:32,129 --> 01:42:29,289 then the cameras would roll and he would 2387 01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:32,139 be right there with Captain Kirk but he 2388 01:42:34,610 --> 01:42:33,760 would come up with ideas and he would 2389 01:42:39,050 --> 01:42:34,620 bounce 2390 01:42:42,050 --> 01:42:39,060 and and demonstrate ideas even guest 2391 01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:42,060 stars talk about in shore-leave when he 2392 01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:44,970 fought the the character Finnegan who 2393 01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:48,090 was a friend of his from his Academy 2394 01:42:54,260 --> 01:42:51,840 days mark interviewed the actor who 2395 01:42:56,570 --> 01:42:54,270 played Finnegan and he talked about how 2396 01:42:59,060 --> 01:42:56,580 Shatner and he choreographed this fight 2397 01:43:02,630 --> 01:42:59,070 and Shatner who's the star of the show 2398 01:43:06,140 --> 01:43:02,640 and this guy this other guy is just an 2399 01:43:09,260 --> 01:43:06,150 episodic actor a day player and Shatner 2400 01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:09,270 choreographed certain fight moves so 2401 01:43:15,140 --> 01:43:11,130 that the other guy would get more screen 2402 01:43:17,480 --> 01:43:15,150 time and there were so many stories 2403 01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:17,490 where everybody that that talked about 2404 01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:20,130 Shatner talked about what a consummate 2405 01:43:26,230 --> 01:43:22,800 professionally was and how great he was 2406 01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:26,240 and funny and energetic and supportive 2407 01:43:32,930 --> 01:43:30,960 so about a year and a half ago I was 2408 01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:32,940 signing autographs at a convention 2409 01:43:39,230 --> 01:43:36,330 Florida super Khan actually and I was in 2410 01:43:41,810 --> 01:43:39,240 the greenroom and Bill came in he was 2411 01:43:43,820 --> 01:43:41,820 signing that weekend as well bill and 2412 01:43:45,710 --> 01:43:43,830 Gary our manager came in and and the two 2413 01:43:48,140 --> 01:43:45,720 of them sat down at a table and I walked 2414 01:43:50,380 --> 01:43:48,150 over and I sat down beside Bill and I 2415 01:43:53,570 --> 01:43:50,390 put my arm on his shoulder and I said 2416 01:43:56,690 --> 01:43:53,580 I'd like to tell you a story that I 2417 01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:56,700 think will really encourage you and Bill 2418 01:44:02,060 --> 01:43:59,040 looked at me and said do I look like I 2419 01:44:05,630 --> 01:44:02,070 need encouragement big so I'd like 2420 01:44:07,370 --> 01:44:05,640 something to say and I said no no but I 2421 01:44:08,540 --> 01:44:07,380 said he said I'm just kidding and I said 2422 01:44:12,620 --> 01:44:08,550 let me tell you I'm reading this 2423 01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:12,630 audiobook and I said I want you to know 2424 01:44:19,100 --> 01:44:15,690 that everybody that was interviewed for 2425 01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:19,110 this book the guest stars crew people 2426 01:44:27,710 --> 01:44:23,450 other actors production people all 2427 01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:27,720 talked about how amazing you were how 2428 01:44:35,420 --> 01:44:31,920 kind how funny how supportive how 2429 01:44:41,300 --> 01:44:35,430 energetic how brilliant you were and I 2430 01:44:43,810 --> 01:44:41,310 said so now in today's in today's period 2431 01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:43,820 where there are people kind of rewriting 2432 01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:45,840 stories you know what I mean and taking 2433 01:44:50,270 --> 01:44:47,850 shots it at him and 2434 01:44:53,210 --> 01:44:50,280 and there's some some conflict and 2435 01:44:55,190 --> 01:44:53,220 rivalry between some of the actors I 2436 01:44:57,260 --> 01:44:55,200 said I just want you to I just thought 2437 01:44:59,420 --> 01:44:57,270 that would encourage you bill to know 2438 01:45:03,200 --> 01:44:59,430 that the dozens and dozens of people 2439 01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:03,210 that I that I read about who worked with 2440 01:45:08,090 --> 01:45:06,210 you in this series all had nothing but 2441 01:45:09,950 --> 01:45:08,100 the most glowing things to say about you 2442 01:45:12,290 --> 01:45:09,960 and he turned to me and he put his arm 2443 01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:12,300 on my shoulder and he said that does 2444 01:45:16,670 --> 01:45:14,490 encourage me Vic thank you thank you for 2445 01:45:18,230 --> 01:45:16,680 telling me that he said you know after 2446 01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:18,240 all is a lot of the things that have 2447 01:45:23,570 --> 01:45:20,250 been said over the years that really 2448 01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:23,580 means a lot to me that it was it was it 2449 01:45:29,390 --> 01:45:26,730 was really a great privilege to be able 2450 01:45:32,330 --> 01:45:29,400 to tell him and again this is a man who 2451 01:45:34,490 --> 01:45:32,340 created you know a father figure and a 2452 01:45:37,370 --> 01:45:34,500 role model for me when I was young and 2453 01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:37,380 to be able to tell him what an impact he 2454 01:45:42,350 --> 01:45:40,170 had on all of the people around him that 2455 01:45:44,810 --> 01:45:42,360 he worked with the other actors and the 2456 01:45:46,730 --> 01:45:44,820 production people it was a real 2457 01:45:51,140 --> 01:45:46,740 privilege to share that with him that's 2458 01:45:56,150 --> 01:45:51,150 amazing now I know Leonard Nimoy and one 2459 01:45:59,390 --> 01:45:56,160 of this series episodes he had a virus 2460 01:46:02,750 --> 01:45:59,400 or something and then became like human 2461 01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:02,760 was crying and and they can artists like 2462 01:46:08,660 --> 01:46:06,330 his fan his fan mail increased like ten 2463 01:46:12,590 --> 01:46:08,670 times or something like that yeah people 2464 01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:12,600 saw his home naked time oh yeah that's 2465 01:46:15,290 --> 01:46:13,920 in the book as well because every 2466 01:46:16,850 --> 01:46:15,300 episode as a chapter and that's an 2467 01:46:19,310 --> 01:46:16,860 episode called the naked times picture 2468 01:46:22,060 --> 01:46:19,320 said which was written by my friend John 2469 01:46:28,250 --> 01:46:22,070 Dee at black we just lost this last year 2470 01:46:30,050 --> 01:46:28,260 and he the week after that aired and 2471 01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:30,060 that was the fourth episode they aired 2472 01:46:34,610 --> 01:46:32,610 of the series it was shot it was maybe 2473 01:46:35,930 --> 01:46:34,620 the sixth or seventh shot but it but the 2474 01:46:39,050 --> 01:46:35,940 others weren't ready to put on because 2475 01:46:40,610 --> 01:46:39,060 special effects were delaying them and 2476 01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:40,620 the network was nervous about putting 2477 01:46:46,930 --> 01:46:43,050 that on as the fourth episode because in 2478 01:46:50,750 --> 01:46:46,940 the story everybody gets his virus and 2479 01:46:53,450 --> 01:46:50,760 it makes makes them become uninhibited 2480 01:46:54,980 --> 01:46:53,460 so Sulu is running around the enterprise 2481 01:46:56,810 --> 01:46:54,990 with the Sabre because he always kind of 2482 01:47:00,590 --> 01:46:56,820 thought of himself as a swashbuckler 2483 01:47:01,689 --> 01:47:00,600 racing crewman and and people are just 2484 01:47:04,009 --> 01:47:01,699 you know kind of 2485 01:47:07,009 --> 01:47:04,019 it's a part of their character but 2486 01:47:07,819 --> 01:47:07,019 they're not holding it in and Spock gets 2487 01:47:10,459 --> 01:47:07,829 affected by it 2488 01:47:12,139 --> 01:47:10,469 and he realizes he's been affected but 2489 01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:12,149 as a Vulcan he doesn't want anybody to 2490 01:47:18,259 --> 01:47:17,010 see him not be unemotional and so he 2491 01:47:20,419 --> 01:47:18,269 goes into the briefing room by himself 2492 01:47:23,239 --> 01:47:20,429 and he sits down in a chair and he just 2493 01:47:24,799 --> 01:47:23,249 starts sobbing and Kirk comes and finds 2494 01:47:27,589 --> 01:47:24,809 him and he just looks at the Kirk he 2495 01:47:30,379 --> 01:47:27,599 says my mother I was never able to tell 2496 01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:30,389 her that I loved her you know and very 2497 01:47:34,909 --> 01:47:32,249 strong again the material was just 2498 01:47:37,219 --> 01:47:34,919 amazing yeah and the very next week 2499 01:47:39,589 --> 01:47:37,229 thousands and thousands of letters were 2500 01:47:41,869 --> 01:47:39,599 pouring in that this character that NBC 2501 01:47:44,659 --> 01:47:41,879 was so worried about but America would 2502 01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:44,669 not take two people fell in love with 2503 01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:46,530 this character and then the memos you 2504 01:47:49,489 --> 01:47:48,030 see them in the book Kirk you start 2505 01:47:53,379 --> 01:47:49,499 coming from NBC and they start saying 2506 01:47:56,029 --> 01:47:53,389 hey let's give Spock more stuff to do 2507 01:47:59,599 --> 01:47:56,039 he's getting more he's getting more mail 2508 01:48:01,729 --> 01:47:59,609 than the Monkees Star Trek Star Trek and 2509 01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:01,739 Leonard Nimoy we're getting more mail 2510 01:48:07,489 --> 01:48:04,530 more fan letters were coming in boxes 2511 01:48:08,959 --> 01:48:07,499 and boxes and bags and bags then even 2512 01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:08,969 the Monkees were getting which were on 2513 01:48:12,919 --> 01:48:11,489 NBC at that time so Star Trek was 2514 01:48:16,099 --> 01:48:12,929 getting more mail than any other show on 2515 01:48:20,299 --> 01:48:16,109 television Wow well isn't that amazing I 2516 01:48:22,639 --> 01:48:20,309 I had no idea of that part of it and as 2517 01:48:25,279 --> 01:48:22,649 far as typecasting you know you think of 2518 01:48:27,799 --> 01:48:25,289 Leonard Nimoy he didn't do a lot after 2519 01:48:29,959 --> 01:48:27,809 that he did you know there were certain 2520 01:48:36,049 --> 01:48:29,969 things he was in always great very fine 2521 01:48:38,209 --> 01:48:36,059 actor Kirk Bill Shatner seemed to handle 2522 01:48:39,879 --> 01:48:38,219 that well going on to different things 2523 01:48:42,679 --> 01:48:39,889 but do you think a lot of people were 2524 01:48:45,319 --> 01:48:42,689 typecasted and had nowhere to go oh yeah 2525 01:48:47,869 --> 01:48:45,329 oh they they they all told me that Jimmy 2526 01:48:49,609 --> 01:48:47,879 Doohan walter Koenig who's a friend of 2527 01:48:51,679 --> 01:48:49,619 mine as well you tell forward for 2528 01:48:53,899 --> 01:48:51,689 sissies I'm sorry can I didn't mean to 2529 01:48:55,879 --> 01:48:53,909 interrupt you bank Intel of the actor's 2530 01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:55,889 name but who they played in them Oh 2531 01:49:02,419 --> 01:48:59,280 oh sure sure yeah sure well Jimmy Doohan 2532 01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:02,429 was Scotty mm-hmm and walter Koenig 2533 01:49:07,399 --> 01:49:05,280 it was check off and Walter just wrote 2534 01:49:08,869 --> 01:49:07,409 the foreword for my new book coming out 2535 01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:08,879 Dorothy Fontana wrote the foreword for 2536 01:49:13,579 --> 01:49:11,489 the last one she had been reading them 2537 01:49:15,649 --> 01:49:13,589 all if you want to write the foreword 2538 01:49:19,250 --> 01:49:15,659 sure but but 2539 01:49:22,279 --> 01:49:19,260 Walter you know and so Jim Doohan and 2540 01:49:23,629 --> 01:49:22,289 walter Koenig especially because both of 2541 01:49:25,399 --> 01:49:23,639 them had done a lot of work on 2542 01:49:27,379 --> 01:49:25,409 television before Star Trek especially 2543 01:49:30,259 --> 01:49:27,389 Jimmy Doohan who was a little older and 2544 01:49:32,029 --> 01:49:30,269 been in more than a hundred guest spots 2545 01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:32,039 on different shows Wow and he was 2546 01:49:36,409 --> 01:49:34,320 Canadian but he was great with dialects 2547 01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:36,419 and so when Gene Roddenberry hired him 2548 01:49:40,279 --> 01:49:38,010 for Star Trek he said I want you to play 2549 01:49:41,899 --> 01:49:40,289 the engineer I'd like you to have an 2550 01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:41,909 accent what do you want to have and it 2551 01:49:45,949 --> 01:49:43,679 was Jimmy Doohan who said I think you 2552 01:49:47,719 --> 01:49:45,959 know you should be Scottish because the 2553 01:49:50,060 --> 01:49:47,729 Scots are always great with engines and 2554 01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:50,070 machines and things and and all that 2555 01:49:54,109 --> 01:49:52,169 well when Star Trek went off he's 2556 01:49:56,540 --> 01:49:54,119 suddenly not getting hired you know he'd 2557 01:49:58,219 --> 01:49:56,550 be doing a dozen guest spots a year 2558 01:50:00,919 --> 01:49:58,229 before Star Trek and now suddenly he's 2559 01:50:02,659 --> 01:50:00,929 doing one or two a year because people 2560 01:50:03,669 --> 01:50:02,669 would think oh we can't hire him he's 2561 01:50:05,659 --> 01:50:03,679 he's Scottish 2562 01:50:08,689 --> 01:50:05,669 we don't need this character and have a 2563 01:50:10,399 --> 01:50:08,699 Scottish accent and and so the same 2564 01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:10,409 thing happened to Walter he was really 2565 01:50:13,759 --> 01:50:12,449 coming alive as an actor on television 2566 01:50:16,009 --> 01:50:13,769 doing a lot of guest stars young 2567 01:50:18,169 --> 01:50:16,019 good-looking boy and and everything and 2568 01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:18,179 then he gets on Star Trek and and they 2569 01:50:22,549 --> 01:50:20,159 have him do the Russian the Russian 2570 01:50:25,339 --> 01:50:22,559 accents were yeah his parents were 2571 01:50:27,649 --> 01:50:25,349 Russian immigrants so he was able to do 2572 01:50:30,199 --> 01:50:27,659 that accident very well because that's 2573 01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:30,209 the way they sounded when he was growing 2574 01:50:35,179 --> 01:50:33,449 up to him and an after Star Trek it's 2575 01:50:38,330 --> 01:50:35,189 like well we don't need a Russian so 2576 01:50:41,899 --> 01:50:38,340 we're not going to hire him so that 2577 01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:41,909 really hurt them in particular Shatner 2578 01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:44,610 because he was so successful before Star 2579 01:50:49,909 --> 01:50:47,010 Trek had had a series had been a top TV 2580 01:50:51,589 --> 01:50:49,919 guest star he bounced right back right 2581 01:50:56,209 --> 01:50:51,599 because they knew he could play anything 2582 01:50:57,890 --> 01:50:56,219 yeah uh Nimoy was was typecast as Spock 2583 01:50:59,870 --> 01:50:57,900 and he had done a lot of work for Star 2584 01:51:02,060 --> 01:50:59,880 Trek before Star Trek too and was a 2585 01:51:03,799 --> 01:51:02,070 tremendous actor but he wasn't getting 2586 01:51:05,569 --> 01:51:03,809 offered the roles that he wanted so he 2587 01:51:07,279 --> 01:51:05,579 did two years on Mission Impossible so 2588 01:51:10,609 --> 01:51:07,289 he could play a master of disguise and 2589 01:51:12,799 --> 01:51:10,619 dialects to try to show and after that 2590 01:51:15,890 --> 01:51:12,809 he started doing more stage and I mean 2591 01:51:17,359 --> 01:51:15,900 Broadway big stage because he said I 2592 01:51:19,549 --> 01:51:17,369 just don't like the roles that are being 2593 01:51:22,459 --> 01:51:19,559 offered to me so he chose to do less 2594 01:51:24,049 --> 01:51:22,469 television and film after Mission 2595 01:51:25,850 --> 01:51:24,059 Possible and he kind of went to do the 2596 01:51:28,669 --> 01:51:25,860 stage work where he could do Fiddler on 2597 01:51:29,330 --> 01:51:28,679 the Roof and be singing and playing the 2598 01:51:31,310 --> 01:51:29,340 lead and 2599 01:51:33,470 --> 01:51:31,320 of that nature and Sherlock Holmes and 2600 01:51:35,660 --> 01:51:33,480 stuff like that on Broadway 2601 01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:35,670 so that was an artistic choice of his 2602 01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:36,960 Wow 2603 01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:39,170 I didn't realize he had a singing voice 2604 01:51:45,979 --> 01:51:42,719 that's amazing oh he did some records 2605 01:51:50,209 --> 01:51:45,989 back in the 60s uh mr. Spock's music 2606 01:51:52,820 --> 01:51:50,219 from outer space about that I remember 2607 01:51:54,979 --> 01:51:52,830 will a bell shatner from Twilight Zone 2608 01:51:59,600 --> 01:51:54,989 many episodes several episodes he was in 2609 01:52:01,220 --> 01:51:59,610 that way yeah yeah well and Bill Shatner 2610 01:52:03,050 --> 01:52:01,230 was in a lot of movies judgment at 2611 01:52:05,570 --> 01:52:03,060 Nuremburg and he was one of the 2612 01:52:08,089 --> 01:52:05,580 prosecutors in the movie he had a series 2613 01:52:09,410 --> 01:52:08,099 for the people he was in the pilot for 2614 01:52:12,290 --> 01:52:09,420 the defenders and they wanted him to 2615 01:52:14,149 --> 01:52:12,300 play the the son of EJ Marshall but he 2616 01:52:16,399 --> 01:52:14,159 turned it down so they hired Robert Reed 2617 01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:16,409 but shan'er was like the the guy 2618 01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:17,760 everybody was trying to get into a 2619 01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,489 series nice and that's why he was one of 2620 01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:22,080 the first ones that brought him very 2621 01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:26,730 thought of so he was it was Shatner Jack 2622 01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:28,800 Lord and Robert Cole for like the three 2623 01:52:32,750 --> 01:52:30,570 go-to guys that everybody was trying to 2624 01:52:36,020 --> 01:52:32,760 get for a series and they even offered 2625 01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,030 Captain Kirk to Jack Lord when Shatner 2626 01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:38,639 wasn't available and before they got 2627 01:52:41,959 --> 01:52:40,290 Geoffrey hunter they went to Jack Lord 2628 01:52:47,060 --> 01:52:41,969 and said when you play this can you 2629 01:52:48,740 --> 01:52:47,070 imagine yes yeah he wanted to he wanted 2630 01:52:49,580 --> 01:52:48,750 to bit too much he said he wanted a 2631 01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:49,590 piece of the action 2632 01:52:54,530 --> 01:52:52,650 Shannon got 5% of the show Jack Lord 2633 01:52:56,570 --> 01:52:54,540 wanted something like ten or fifteen 2634 01:52:58,310 --> 01:52:56,580 percent so they turned him down and then 2635 01:52:59,870 --> 01:52:58,320 he was hired to do y5o 2636 01:53:02,030 --> 01:52:59,880 which turned out a pretty good show and 2637 01:53:04,129 --> 01:53:02,040 he won't to chunk of that yeah you know 2638 01:53:08,570 --> 01:53:04,139 you know you know Martin people 2639 01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:08,580 sometimes make fun of Shatner as they 2640 01:53:16,580 --> 01:53:11,610 say overacting but you know back in that 2641 01:53:18,729 --> 01:53:16,590 day he was he was heralded as as an 2642 01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:18,739 incredible actor I mean he was a 2643 01:53:26,899 --> 01:53:23,760 Shakespearean trained actor and and he 2644 01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:26,909 was he was very very very highly 2645 01:53:33,620 --> 01:53:31,920 respected as an actor and it I always 2646 01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:33,630 find it funny when you know people 2647 01:53:38,540 --> 01:53:35,449 nowadays want to you know take potshots 2648 01:53:42,020 --> 01:53:38,550 but man he was it was really something 2649 01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:42,030 for for them to get him for Star Trek 2650 01:53:46,430 --> 01:53:43,650 because he was highly 2651 01:53:47,959 --> 01:53:46,440 respected for his abilities right and 2652 01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:47,969 what do you see that you see that in the 2653 01:53:51,530 --> 01:53:49,890 books - they were very excited when they 2654 01:53:53,810 --> 01:53:51,540 when they got him because they wanted 2655 01:53:55,220 --> 01:53:53,820 him to begin with and so when his show 2656 01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:55,230 got cancelled and he would they were 2657 01:53:58,880 --> 01:53:57,360 able to bring him in and he told gene 2658 01:54:00,080 --> 01:53:58,890 gene called him he said Shatner said I 2659 01:54:01,930 --> 01:54:00,090 love science fiction you know I've done 2660 01:54:04,130 --> 01:54:01,940 a couple Twilight zones I've done 2661 01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:04,140 thriller I've done all these things I 2662 01:54:08,090 --> 01:54:05,610 love science fiction he came to all the 2663 01:54:10,490 --> 01:54:08,100 pilot and he said sign me up well I'm 2664 01:54:11,930 --> 01:54:10,500 your captain man and the memos in the 2665 01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:11,940 book are just great because like Bob 2666 01:54:19,550 --> 01:54:16,770 just was going we got Bill Shatner well 2667 01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:19,560 we are out of time so I'd like for one 2668 01:54:23,540 --> 01:54:21,810 at a time we'll start with you mark if 2669 01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:23,550 you would just give out all your 2670 01:54:29,090 --> 01:54:25,920 information so people can connect with 2671 01:54:31,220 --> 01:54:29,100 you know to get to the book and and all 2672 01:54:33,530 --> 01:54:31,230 that you betcha 2673 01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:33,540 well my publishers for these books is 2674 01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:35,250 called Jake is Brown Media Group and 2675 01:54:39,020 --> 01:54:36,690 they got their website Jacobs around 2676 01:54:41,540 --> 01:54:39,030 Media Group calm but that's a hard thing 2677 01:54:45,110 --> 01:54:41,550 to remember so they also have a link to 2678 01:54:46,580 --> 01:54:45,120 it these are the voyages books calm and 2679 01:54:48,410 --> 01:54:46,590 you can go there and you can read about 2680 01:54:49,939 --> 01:54:48,420 the books you can read excerpts from the 2681 01:54:52,070 --> 01:54:49,949 books you can hear excerpts from the 2682 01:54:53,780 --> 01:54:52,080 audio book all that kind of stuff of 2683 01:54:56,570 --> 01:54:53,790 course the books are available on Amazon 2684 01:54:58,370 --> 01:54:56,580 and Barnes and Noble and so forth but 2685 01:55:00,200 --> 01:54:58,380 the nice thing about going to these are 2686 01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:00,210 the voyages books calm is if you get the 2687 01:55:04,340 --> 01:55:02,370 book it comes signed you can even get it 2688 01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:04,350 inscribed I do them every day they send 2689 01:55:09,110 --> 01:55:06,239 me things as they sign this book this 2690 01:55:11,930 --> 01:55:09,120 way and the whole bit and and the 2691 01:55:16,130 --> 01:55:11,940 audiobook is there and it's also on a 2692 01:55:20,090 --> 01:55:16,140 service called all sound Inc awwe soo 2693 01:55:24,290 --> 01:55:20,100 und Inc you won't find the audio book on 2694 01:55:25,700 --> 01:55:24,300 Amazon actually you will find a DVD set 2695 01:55:28,189 --> 01:55:25,710 of the audio book but if you want it as 2696 01:55:29,870 --> 01:55:28,199 a download to plan your mobile device as 2697 01:55:34,010 --> 01:55:29,880 you're taking a drive across America and 2698 01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:35,750 you can you can download it to your 2699 01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:37,920 mobile device from these are the voices 2700 01:55:43,250 --> 01:55:41,010 books calm or all sound intercom all 2701 01:55:45,649 --> 01:55:43,260 right well I will have the all these 2702 01:55:49,550 --> 01:55:45,659 links in the show notes at podcast UFO 2703 01:55:50,810 --> 01:55:49,560 comm also on on YouTube and we are just 2704 01:55:54,830 --> 01:55:50,820 about out of time so if you could 2705 01:55:57,110 --> 01:55:54,840 quickly a dick yes first of all thank 2706 01:55:58,730 --> 01:55:57,120 you so much for having us as 2707 01:56:00,770 --> 01:55:58,740 mark said the audio book is available 2708 01:56:02,510 --> 01:56:00,780 please check it out you will love it I 2709 01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:02,520 want to give a shout out to Chelsea 2710 01:56:07,970 --> 01:56:04,320 because not only is she amazing and 2711 01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:07,980 wonderful but she helped organize all of 2712 01:56:13,790 --> 01:56:10,050 those actors and helped me figure out 2713 01:56:16,460 --> 01:56:13,800 who spoke in what chapters so that I 2714 01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:16,470 know it was an enormous undertaking and 2715 01:56:22,460 --> 01:56:19,890 she's amazing but you can check out star 2716 01:56:24,740 --> 01:56:22,470 trek continues com the website all of 2717 01:56:27,410 --> 01:56:24,750 our episodes are there free to watch all 2718 01:56:30,770 --> 01:56:27,420 of it back behind the scenes videos 2719 01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:30,780 making up videos interviews and all the 2720 01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:33,090 episodes all free it's all for the love 2721 01:56:37,070 --> 01:56:35,490 of Star Trek I do a lot of event 2722 01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:37,080 appearances around the country if there 2723 01:56:41,570 --> 01:56:39,450 are any Comic Cons near you and you 2724 01:56:44,900 --> 01:56:41,580 happen to see my name on the on the 2725 01:56:48,140 --> 01:56:44,910 roster come and say hello neutral zone 2726 01:56:49,690 --> 01:56:48,150 studios.com is the studio is the website 2727 01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:49,700 where you can find out information about 2728 01:56:55,820 --> 01:56:53,610 touring our sets for that we build and 2729 01:56:59,000 --> 01:56:55,830 available I mean check that out myself 2730 01:57:00,650 --> 01:56:59,010 yeah like us on like us on Facebook and 2731 01:57:02,750 --> 01:57:00,660 now we'll hope to see all of you at the 2732 01:57:05,300 --> 01:57:02,760 studio excellent thank you both so much 2733 01:57:07,070 --> 01:57:05,310 it's been a lot of fun for me a really 2734 01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:07,080 great way to write part of the year yeah 2735 01:57:10,490 --> 01:57:08,610 thank you thank you Martin 2736 01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:10,500 all right have a good nap New Year Happy 2737 01:57:14,870 --> 01:57:13,290 New Year alright everyone so that is it 2738 01:57:17,690 --> 01:57:14,880 for the show thanks so much for 2739 01:57:21,050 --> 01:57:17,700 listening and we'll be back next week 2740 01:57:23,870 --> 01:57:21,060 with we have David O'Leary 2741 01:57:27,130 --> 01:57:23,880 he's the executive producer for a 2742 01:57:29,210 --> 01:57:27,140 project Bluebook as well as Sean 2743 01:57:33,410 --> 01:57:29,220 Jablonski they're both going to be on 2744 01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:33,420 and then Ted row in the second hour so 2745 01:57:39,950 --> 01:57:36,450 we'll be back at the regular time on kgr 2746 01:57:41,690 --> 01:57:39,960 a radio as well as YouTube as usual and 2747 01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:41,700 I want to thank everyone that helps out 2748 01:57:45,740 --> 01:57:43,170 with the show I want to give a special 2749 01:57:48,130 --> 01:57:45,750 thanks to Michelle as well for helping 2750 01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:48,140 out with our guest tonight and again 2751 01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:52,290 very enjoyable and we'll see you next 2752 01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:54,000 week and remember to keep your eyes to 2753 01:58:01,390 --> 01:57:55,280 the sky